What is the Definition of the Derivative for f(x)=(12)/(sqrt(1+3x))?

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The problem involves finding the derivative of the function f(x) = 12 / sqrt(1 + 3x) using the definition of the derivative. Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation required to apply this definition correctly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difference quotient and the need to multiply by the conjugate to simplify the expression. There are questions about the correct application of the conjugate technique and how to handle the algebra involved in the limit process.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the algebraic steps necessary to apply the definition of the derivative. Some participants have offered guidance on using the conjugate and combining fractions, while others express confusion about their previous calculations and seek clarification on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention feeling stuck and uncertain about their understanding of the conjugate technique and its application in this context. There are indications of simple errors in calculations that have been acknowledged but are not seen as the primary issue hindering progress.

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Homework Statement



Use the definition of the derivative to find f'(x) is f(x)=(12)/(sqrt(1+3x))

Homework Equations



I have a feeling you use some conjugate techniques, but I'm stuck.

f'(x)=lim h->0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/(h)

The Attempt at a Solution



I could post a very long list of useless equations, but that would be wasting time. I don't know how to do this or where to start, since I know what I'm doing is not the correct way to start. I know what the answer is using the quotient and power rules, but they want you to use the definition of the derivative. So, the start would be to state that lim h->0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/(h), but there's algebra involved that I'm missing. Anyone want to help?
 
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Well, for one thing, you might want to say what f(x) is. Now write out the difference quotient and yes, multiply by the conjugate. At least show where you are starting from!
 
Thank you so much for the reply. So, the difference quotient for this function is:

(12/(sqrt(1+3x+3h))-(12/sqrt(1+3x))/(h)

so,

f'(x)=lim h->0 (12/hsqrt(1+3x+3h)) - (12/hsqrt(1+3)) *OK OK OK It's minus! Simple error.

How do I utilize the conjugate technique? I thought I knew how to use it, but I ended up with something wrong. I tried a myriad of ways I thought you would use the conjugate technique. I even tried multiplying by "1" such that hsqrt(1+3x+3h)/hsqrt(1+3x+3h)=1 and hsqrt(1+3x)/hsqrt(1+3x)=1 and used the sum limit law and used the conjugate and I even combined the two equations using some algebra. So, where do I begin to use the conjugate technique? Quite possibly, I'm missing the true idea of the technique of conjugate. I see it as taking not necessarily the negative or 1 and multiplying it by the function, but taking what could be a and -bi and multiplying that as an equation such that you use the numerator and assign a and -bi and multiplying by 1.
 
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Rayquesto said:
Thank you so much for the reply. So, the difference quotient for this function is:

(12/(sqrt(1+3x+3h))+(12/sqrt(1+3x))/(h)


Is it difference?

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Oh thanks for catching that. It's what happens when I got a lot on my mind while I type. The same goes with spelling errors, but I'm working on the simple errors. I will eventually get it all down, however, pointing that error out really doesn't help get me anywhere with trying to understand ideas that I don't really understand. That right there was clearly one of those simple errors that didn't influence my answer. I wrote the "-" sign on my paper and was consistent throughout my calculations. So, it did not influence my true errors that I need to fix for the problem itself. So, my question should be where do I start with the conjugate technique?
 
so, here's the correction:f'(x)=lim h->0 (12/hsqrt(1+3x+3h)) - (12/hsqrt(1+3))

As you could tell from the beginning of the question, I wrote down the formula with the "-" sign. So, that clearly was a simple error that did not influence my errors in conjugate endeavors.
 
Rayquesto said:
Thank you so much for the reply. So, the difference quotient for this function is:

(12/(sqrt(1+3x+3h))+(12/sqrt(1+3x))/(h)

so,

f'(x)=lim h->0 (12/hsqrt(1+3x+3h)) + (12/hsqrt(1+3))

How do I utilize the conjugate technique? I thought I knew how to use it, but I ended up with something wrong. I tried a myriad of ways I thought you would use the conjugate technique. I even tried multiplying by "1" such that hsqrt(1+3x+3h)/hsqrt(1+3x+3h)=1 and hsqrt(1+3x)/hsqrt(1+3x)=1 and used the sum limit law and used the conjugate and I even combined the two equations using some algebra. So, where do I begin to use the conjugate technique? Quite possibly, I'm missing the true idea of the technique of conjugate. I see it as taking not necessarily the negative or 1 and multiplying it by the function, but taking what could be a and -bi and multiplying that as an equation such that you use the numerator and assign a and -bi and multiplying by 1.
It's a difference, not a sum.

[itex]\displaystyle f'(x)=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\displaystyle\frac{12}{\sqrt{1+3(x+h)}}-\frac{12}{\sqrt{1+3x}}}{h}[/itex]​
Use a common denominator to combine the fractions in the numerator.

The use the conjugate.
 
SammyS said:
It's a difference, not a sum.

[itex]\displaystyle f'(x)=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\displaystyle\frac{12}{\sqrt{1+3(x+h)}}-\frac{12}{\sqrt{1+3x}}}{h}[/itex]​
Use a common denominator to combine the fractions in the numerator.

The use the conjugate.

Thank you! I realize the mall error I had, but please read the comments from earlier. We covered that earlier. And ok yes you are the one! Thank you for telling me how it's done. I got it now! :)
 
I noticed I did that earlier, but I had a simple miscalculation.
 

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