What is the derivation of the Fermi golden rule?

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the Fermi golden rule as presented in Kenneth Krane's "Introduction to Nuclear Physics." The user seeks clarification on the transition from equation 9.20, which involves the differential dλ, to equation 9.21, which defines N(p)dp. Key points include the assertion that N(p) is defined as C p² q², where C contains constants independent of p. The conversation highlights a potential misreading of the equations and emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the terms involved, particularly the treatment of differentials.

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Dear Forum,

I have a question about the derivation of the Fermi golden rule in Kenneth Krane's Introduction to Nuclear Physics. I understand everything up to equation 9.20. However, it is unclear how he goes directly to equation 9.21. Here is equation 9.20,

## d\lambda = \frac{2\pi}{\hbar}g^{2} |M_{fi}|^{2} \frac{(4\pi)^{2}}{h^{6}c^{2}} p^{2} (Q - \sqrt(p^{2}c^{2} + m_{e}^{2}c^{4}) -m_{e}c^{2})dp##

Which is then followed by equation 9.21,

## N(p)dp = Cp^{2}q^{2}dp ##

I under stand that C has the constants not related to p. My question is how did he go from ##d\lambda## to ##N(p)dp##. This says that ##d\lambda = N(p)dp## which is unclear to me. Can someone explain that part to me.

Thank you.
 
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9.20 doesn't look right. LHS is a differential. RHS has two terms: the first is not a differential, second is. Can't be.
 
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mathman said:
RHS has two terms: the first is not a differential
Terms?

There is a dp though
 
James_1978 said:
dλ=2πℏg2|Mfi|2(4π)2h6c2p2(Q−(p2c2+me2c4)−mec2)dp
I think the expression you have in brackets here should be squared (what you wrote equals ##q## by 9.22, but in 9.20 it is ##q^2##).

I am not sure there is much to understand here,

##d\lambda = N(p) dp##

simply defines ##N(p)## as far as I can tell. The only part of

##N(p) = C p^2 q^2##

that might be non-trivial is that indeed all other factors (in particular ##|M_{fi}|##) are independent of ##p^2##. However the text states this is an assumption at this point. Could you clarify what is unclear?
 
malawi_glenn said:
Terms?

There is a dp though
RHS is the sum of two terms. The second term has dp. The first term has no differential - it needs one.
 
I think you are misreading the brackets (one is opened before the ##Q##, and the corresponding closed one is right before the ##dp##...)
 
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mathman said:
RHS is the sum of two terms. The second term has dp. The first term has no differential - it needs one.
No RHS has three terms.
Note that the OP does not know LaTeX and has this written sqrt wrong
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should read
##d\lambda = \dfrac{2\pi}{\hbar} g^2 |M_{fi}|^2 \dfrac{(4\pi)^2}{h^6c^2}p^2 (Q - \sqrt{p^2c^2+m_e^2c^4} -m_ec^2) dp##
 
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malawi_glenn said:
No RHS has three terms.
Note that the OP does not know LaTeX and has this written sqrt wrong
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should read
##d\lambda = \dfrac{2\pi}{\hbar} g^2 |M_{fi}|^2 \dfrac{(4\pi)^2}{h^6c^2}p^2 (Q - \sqrt{p^2c^2+m_e^2c^4} -m_ec^2) dp##
Original question error - ##g^2## replaced by ##q^2## for 9.21.
 
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