What is the derivation of the Fermi golden rule?

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the Fermi golden rule as presented in Kenneth Krane's "Introduction to Nuclear Physics." Participants are examining the transition from equation 9.20 to equation 9.21, specifically the relationship between the differential ##d\lambda## and the function ##N(p)dp##.

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  • One participant questions the correctness of equation 9.20, noting that the left-hand side is a differential while the right-hand side contains terms that do not match in form.
  • Another participant points out that the right-hand side of equation 9.20 has a term that is not a differential, suggesting a need for clarification on the terms involved.
  • A different participant suggests that the expression in brackets in equation 9.20 should be squared, referencing a later equation (9.22) that relates to it.
  • Some participants propose that the equation ##d\lambda = N(p)dp## defines ##N(p)##, with the assumption that other factors are independent of ##p^2##.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the brackets in the equation, with some participants asserting that the original poster may have miswritten the LaTeX formatting.
  • One participant emphasizes that the original question contains an error regarding the replacement of ##g^2## with ##q^2## in equation 9.21.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation and correctness of the equations presented, with no consensus reached on the validity of equation 9.20 or the transition to equation 9.21.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the proper interpretation of terms in the equations, the correct formatting of LaTeX expressions, and assumptions made in the derivation process.

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Dear Forum,

I have a question about the derivation of the Fermi golden rule in Kenneth Krane's Introduction to Nuclear Physics. I understand everything up to equation 9.20. However, it is unclear how he goes directly to equation 9.21. Here is equation 9.20,

## d\lambda = \frac{2\pi}{\hbar}g^{2} |M_{fi}|^{2} \frac{(4\pi)^{2}}{h^{6}c^{2}} p^{2} (Q - \sqrt(p^{2}c^{2} + m_{e}^{2}c^{4}) -m_{e}c^{2})dp##

Which is then followed by equation 9.21,

## N(p)dp = Cp^{2}q^{2}dp ##

I under stand that C has the constants not related to p. My question is how did he go from ##d\lambda## to ##N(p)dp##. This says that ##d\lambda = N(p)dp## which is unclear to me. Can someone explain that part to me.

Thank you.
 
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9.20 doesn't look right. LHS is a differential. RHS has two terms: the first is not a differential, second is. Can't be.
 
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mathman said:
RHS has two terms: the first is not a differential
Terms?

There is a dp though
 
James_1978 said:
dλ=2πℏg2|Mfi|2(4π)2h6c2p2(Q−(p2c2+me2c4)−mec2)dp
I think the expression you have in brackets here should be squared (what you wrote equals ##q## by 9.22, but in 9.20 it is ##q^2##).

I am not sure there is much to understand here,

##d\lambda = N(p) dp##

simply defines ##N(p)## as far as I can tell. The only part of

##N(p) = C p^2 q^2##

that might be non-trivial is that indeed all other factors (in particular ##|M_{fi}|##) are independent of ##p^2##. However the text states this is an assumption at this point. Could you clarify what is unclear?
 
malawi_glenn said:
Terms?

There is a dp though
RHS is the sum of two terms. The second term has dp. The first term has no differential - it needs one.
 
I think you are misreading the brackets (one is opened before the ##Q##, and the corresponding closed one is right before the ##dp##...)
 
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mathman said:
RHS is the sum of two terms. The second term has dp. The first term has no differential - it needs one.
No RHS has three terms.
Note that the OP does not know LaTeX and has this written sqrt wrong
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should read
##d\lambda = \dfrac{2\pi}{\hbar} g^2 |M_{fi}|^2 \dfrac{(4\pi)^2}{h^6c^2}p^2 (Q - \sqrt{p^2c^2+m_e^2c^4} -m_ec^2) dp##
 
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malawi_glenn said:
No RHS has three terms.
Note that the OP does not know LaTeX and has this written sqrt wrong
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should read
##d\lambda = \dfrac{2\pi}{\hbar} g^2 |M_{fi}|^2 \dfrac{(4\pi)^2}{h^6c^2}p^2 (Q - \sqrt{p^2c^2+m_e^2c^4} -m_ec^2) dp##
Original question error - ##g^2## replaced by ##q^2## for 9.21.
 
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