What Is the Dipole Moment of This Charge Configuration?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the dipole moment of a configuration of four charges placed at a distance 'a' from the origin. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the presence of a dipole, as dipoles typically consist of two equal and opposite charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of hypothetically splitting charges to form dipoles. The original poster questions the applicability of dipole definitions in this context, while others suggest methods to visualize the dipole formation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the charge configuration and its relation to dipole moments. Some guidance has been provided regarding the definition of dipole moment for a system of point charges, and there is acknowledgment of the utility of this information for similar problems.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to the charge distribution and the definition of dipole moments, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the configuration.

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Homework Statement


4 charges are placed each at a distance 'a' from origin. The dipole moment of the configuration is:
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a)2qa[itex]\hat{j}[/itex]
b)3qa[itex]\hat{j}[/itex]
c)2qa[[itex]\hat{i}+\hat{j}[/itex]]
d)none



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The Attempt at a Solution


How do i determine dipole moment here when there is no dipole present?
Dipole consists of two charges equal in magnitude and opposite in sign but i don't see such situation here.
 
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You can hypothetically assume that the charges are in dipole form. What I mean is, the -2q charge on negative x-axis can be split(hypothetically) as -q and -q charges at the same point. This creates a dipole with the negative y axes +q charge. The 3q charge on y-axis can be split as 2q and q, do you see the dipoles now?
 
Infinitum said:
You can hypothetically assume that the charges are in dipole form. What I mean is, the -2q charge on negative x-axis can be split(hypothetically) as -q and -q charges at the same point. This creates a dipole with the negative y axes +q charge. The 3q charge on y-axis can be split as 2q and q, do you see the dipoles now?

Thanks for the reply Infinitum! :smile:
I do see the dipoles now, i will get back with a solution.
 
Infinitum is right, you can split the charges so as they form dipoles. But there is a definition of the dipole momentum for a charge distribution. For a system of point charges it is P=∑qiri, where ri means the position vector of the i-th point charge. You can count the position vectors from the centre of the square. So the position vector of the -2q charge on the right is ai, that of the 3q charge is aj, and so on. The result is the same that you get with the splitting method.


ehild
 
Thank you both Infinitum and ehild! :smile:
I get my answer to be 2qa[itex]\hat{j}[/itex]. ehild, thank you for the formula, that might come in handy because i have similar problems like this one.
 
You will learn that formula sooner or later. :smile:

ehild
 

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