What is the direction of P relative to A?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the velocities of points P and A in a dynamic system involving circular motion. Participants are exploring the direction of the velocity vectors and their relationships, particularly in the context of a rotating link.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the relationship between the velocity vectors Vp, Vpa, and Va. Questions are raised about the tangential nature of Vp and its relationship to the circular path, as well as the implications of a constant angle theta on the velocities.

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Some participants have provided guidance on differentiating position vectors to find velocities, while others are questioning the assumptions about the fixed nature of point A and the implications of the link's motion. Multiple interpretations of the velocity relationships are being explored without a clear consensus.

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There is a discussion about the fixed or moving nature of point A, which affects the understanding of the velocity vectors involved. The context includes considerations of rotational motion and the implications of constant angular relationships.

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does Vpa has the same direction as Vp? i thought Vp is tangent to the circular path that point P creates( perpendicular to vector Rpa) but from the figure, Vp doesn't seem to be tangent to the path, but Vpa does...
 

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I suggest that you write down expressions for ##\vec R_A## and ##\vec R_{PA}## and differentiate them with respect to time. This will give you the velocity ##\vec v_P = \dot{\vec R_{P}}##.

Also, consider the case when ##\theta## is constant. What happens to ##\vec v_{PA}## then?
 
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Orodruin said:
I suggest that you write down expressions for ##\vec R_A## and ##\vec R_{PA}## and differentiate them with respect to time. This will give you the velocity ##\vec v_P = \dot{\vec R_{P}}##.

Also, consider the case when ##\theta## is constant. What happens to ##\vec v_{PA}## then?

##\vec V_{PA}## = ##\vec ω_P## × ##\vec R_{PA}## so,when ##\theta## is a constant, ##\vec V_{PA}## = 0?
##\vec V_A## = ##\vec V_P## - ##\vec V_{PA}## = ##\vec V_P## - ##\vec ω_P## X ##\vec R_{PA}##
 
Orodruin said:
I suggest that you write down expressions for ##\vec R_A## and ##\vec R_{PA}## and differentiate them with respect to time. This will give you the velocity ##\vec v_P = \dot{\vec R_{P}}##.

Also, consider the case when ##\theta## is constant. What happens to ##\vec v_{PA}## then?
ok, so basically, ##\vec V_P## = ##\vec V_A## + ##\vec V_{PA}##, its a vector sum, so V_P is perpendicular to ##\vec R_{PA}##, and ##\vec V_{PA}## is not, but why ##\vec V_A## is not 0 since point A is fixed?
 
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The point A is not fixed. The link is moving, as per the title of the image you attached.
 
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Orodruin said:
The point A is not fixed. The link is moving, as per the title of the image you attached.
oops, my bad, missed " translating base"... so if point A is fixed, and link AP is still rotating, then ##\vec V_P## = ##\vec V_{PA}##, correct?
 
Yes
 
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Yes
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