What is the Distance Between Two Photons in Different Reference Frames?

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The problem involves two photons traveling along the x-axis of a reference frame S, maintaining a constant distance L between them. The task is to analyze how this distance appears in another reference frame S' moving relative to S, particularly focusing on the implications of special relativity and simultaneity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the distance between the two photons in different reference frames, questioning the definition of simultaneity and how it affects measurements. There are attempts to apply Lorentz transformations and considerations of time dilation. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between length contraction and the scenario presented.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various interpretations of simultaneity and the application of Lorentz transformations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to calculate positions at the same time in the moving frame, and there is a suggestion to use spacetime diagrams for better visualization. However, no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or resolution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of special relativity, particularly the nuances of simultaneity between different reference frames. There is an acknowledgment of the potential confusion between length contraction as it applies to objects versus the distance between photons.

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Homework Statement



two photons travel along the x-axis of S , WITH A CONSTANT DISTANCE L betweenthem. Prove that in S's the distance between these photons is L(c+v)^1/2/(c-v)^1/2.

Homework Equations




x'=gamma*(x-vt), x=gamma*(x'+vt), t=gamma*(t'+vx'/c^2), t=gamma*(t'-vx'/c^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



L(c+v)^1/2/(c-v)^1/2=L((c+v)/(c-v))^.5=L((+v/c)/(1-v/c))^.5. So will the two photons reach a midpoint along the x-axis. I think I should either find the difference between x_2 and x_`1 or the difference between x'_1 and x'_2. I thinkl in one reference frame , the time would be dilated with the moving frame for both photons . Is my line of thinking correct?
 
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noblegas said:
or the difference between x'_1 and x'_2.
That is the quantity you should be looking for, keeping in mind that the definition of simultaneity is not the same in S' as in S - so you need to calculate the difference between [itex]x_1'[/itex] and [itex]x_2'[/itex] as measured at the same time in S', not at the same time in S.

Consider drawing a spacetime diagram. I find that doing that helps with these kinds of problems.
 
diazona said:
That is the quantity you should be looking for, keeping in mind that the definition of simultaneity is not the same in S' as in S - so you need to calculate the difference between [itex]x_1'[/itex] and [itex]x_2'[/itex] as measured at the same time in S', not at the same time in S.

Consider drawing a spacetime diagram. I find that doing that helps with these kinds of problems.

In order to calculate x_2' and x_1' should I calculate t_1 and t_2 first?
 
I'm trying to teach myself special relativity (using the book 'Introduction to Special Relativity' by Wolfgang Rindler). I'm currently working on the problem stated above.

My first approach was : x1=ct ; x2=L+ct.
Then using x'=gamma(x-vt) and t'=gamma(t-vx/c²) I calculate x1' and x2'. However I'm always arriving at L'=gamma(L) which is the formula for Length contraction.

Where is my mistake ? There obviously is a difference between the length contraction (of a rod in S seen from S') and the 'length contraction' in this problem (the distance between 2 moving photons).
 

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