What is the drift speed of Na+ ions while the current flows?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the drift speed of Na+ ions in a saltwater solution when a current flows. The problem involves concepts from electrochemistry and circuit theory, specifically focusing on ionic solutions and their resistivity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of resistance and current using provided formulas. There is uncertainty regarding the correct value for the number of charge carriers (n) and how to account for the presence of both Na+ and Cl- ions in the solution. Questions arise about whether to double the value of n, adjust the current, or keep the charge (q) constant.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the variables involved in the calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the treatment of charge carriers, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to determine the drift speed of Na+ ions.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the molarity of the solution and its conversion to appropriate units. Participants are also considering the implications of using ionic charge carriers rather than electrons, which adds complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement



A. When current flows in an ionic solution, both negative and positive ions are charge carriers. In the dilute limit, the resistivity of the solution is inversely proportional to the concentration. For example, the resistivity of salt water solution at 25 °C is

ρ = 8.0645/[NaCl] Ω·cm·mol/L,
where [NaCl] is the concentration of salt in the water, in moles per litre. Calculate the resistance of a cylinder of salt water (in a plastic tube) with radius r = 1.30 cm, length L = 13.80 cm, and [NaCl] = 0.29 mol/L.


B. If a potential difference of V = 69 V (alternating current) is applied, what will the current be?


C. For the situation described, with a current I flowing through the water, what is the drift speed of Na+ ions while the current flows?



Homework Equations


R=ρ*(L/A)
V=IR
Area of a circle= pi*r2
I=n*q*vd*A, where n is the number of charge carriers per unit volume, q is the charge on the charge carriers, vd is the drift velocity, and A is the cross-sectional area.

The Attempt at a Solution



For A. Simply using the formula, I get 72.3 Ohms

For B. Again, via formula use, I get .955 Amperes.

For C. I have no idea what to use for n. I would be .955, q I presume would be 1.602*10-19, A would be the pi*(1.30/100)2 (since I presume my units would require the area to be given in m^2?)

I tried using the given molarity of 0.29 mol/L=0.29mol/m^3, and multplying that by Avegadros number (6.02*1023) to get the number of ions per unit volume, but that didn't seem to give me the correct answer.

Anything I'm missing here, or perhaps there's another formula I should be using to get at vd?
 
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There are 2 moles of ions (Na+ & Cl-) per moles of NaCl. I hope you can assume their velocities to be the same.
 
Since it hasn't said otherwise, I would presume it's a fair assumption if there's no other clear way to get the answer.

The fact there's two moles in each case however, would mean what in terms of the equation? Would it double both the value of n and q, since there's twice as many charge carriers, and the total of the absolute charges is doubled? Or would it only double n?

Or perhaps instead, I should be halving 'I', since I only care about the current resultant from the Na+ ions, instead of the total current coming from both parts?

All the examples I've seen only discuss electron flow densisties rather than actual ions, so I'm unsusre of how a change such as this should influence the formula.
 
Got it. Double n to account for the fact there's two ions. Leave q alone.

And more importantly, 1L=0.001m3, not 1L=1m3 as I'd initially been treating it.
 

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