What is the Electric Field Strength of the Sun?

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The discussion revolves around the electric field strength of the Sun, its measurement, and its origins. Participants explore the implications of electric fields in solar plasma physics, particularly in relation to the solar wind and the dynamics of charged particles in the Sun's atmosphere.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the electric field strength of the Sun and its measurement, noting the difficulty in determining its origin.
  • Another participant explains that electric fields exist within the solar plasma, highlighting the presence of free charges, while stating that the Sun is overall electrically neutral.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the electric field strength as measured from Earth, suggesting it plays a role in accelerating and maintaining the solar wind.
  • Some participants propose that there is an electric field in the corona/heliosphere due to the differing masses of electrons and protons, but they note that this field is too small to measure.
  • There are theories, such as the 'exospheric theory', that relate solar wind dynamics to electric fields, though many in the field do not support the idea that the electric field drives the solar wind.
  • One participant mentions that the standard model attributes solar wind acceleration to thermal pressure gradients, while expressing skepticism about its ability to explain observations, favoring wave-particle and diamagnetic effects instead.
  • Another participant provides a specific estimate of the electric field strength at about 750 Volts per meter and references a power density of approximately 1.4 kW/m² for solar radiation.
  • There is a request for the source of the provided figures, indicating a desire for verification of the claims made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the role of electric fields in solar dynamics and the mechanisms driving the solar wind. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the electric field's influence or measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the electric field in the solar atmosphere is difficult to measure and that the dynamics of the solar wind may not be fully explained by current models. There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the electric field's role and the nature of solar wind acceleration.

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Sorry if this is the wrong forum (its difficult to tell)

What is the electric field strength of the Sun, how is it measured and what is its origin?

Thanks
 
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The question is appropriate for this forum as it pertains to solar plasma physics.

There are electric fields within the plasma that constitutes the sun, and the field exists among the free nuclei, free electrons and ions. Basically an electric field exists between or among + and - charges. As far as we know, the sun is electrically neutral.

Here is a reference. Unfortunately the full paper must be purchased.

Electric fields in the solar atmosphere: A review
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t7841r86w12771h6/
 
I suppose what I'm asking for is the Electric field strength of the Sun as measured from the Earth. I assume that this electric field both accelerates and maintains the solar wind.
 
DiamondGeezer said:
I suppose what I'm asking for is the Electric field strength of the Sun as measured from the Earth. I assume that this electric field both accelerates and maintains the solar wind.

or am I wrong to assume this?
 
There should be an electric field in the corona/heliosphere, owing the fact that electrons and protons have a much different mass. But, this field is too small to measure.

There are some theories that the solar wind dynamics are related to this field, the 'exospheric theory'. But, most in the field don't consider that the wind is driven by the electric field. One thing to consider is that the wind is quasineutral, so that the net force from a large scale field is zero.

The standard model of the solar wind posits that it is drived by thermal pressure gradients, analogous to fluid flow from a nozzle. but, this can't explain the observations. I side with those who believe wave-particle and/or diamagnetic effects drive the high-speed (800 km/sec) wind and explosive events drive the slow speed (400 km/sec) wind.
 
About 750 Volts / Metre or 1.4 KW / sq metre over all wavelengths.
 
heliotrope said:
There should be an electric field in the corona/heliosphere, owing the fact that electrons and protons have a much different mass. But, this field is too small to measure.

There are some theories that the solar wind dynamics are related to this field, the 'exospheric theory'. But, most in the field don't consider that the wind is driven by the electric field. One thing to consider is that the wind is quasineutral, so that the net force from a large scale field is zero.

The standard model of the solar wind posits that it is drived by thermal pressure gradients, analogous to fluid flow from a nozzle. but, this can't explain the observations. I side with those who believe wave-particle and/or diamagnetic effects drive the high-speed (800 km/sec) wind and explosive events drive the slow speed (400 km/sec) wind.

It's difficult to see how the solar wind, which is composed of charged particles, could be driven to such high speeds without an electric potential to drive them.

Pumblechook said:
About 750 Volts / Metre or 1.4 KW / sq metre over all wavelengths.

Can you tell me where you got these figures?
 

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