What is the equation of a circle touching a parabola in polar coordinates?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a circle in polar coordinates that touches a given parabola at a specific angle. The parabola is defined by the equation $2a/r=1+ \cos( \theta)$, and the circle is drawn through the focus of this parabola. Participants explore the conditions under which the circle touches the parabola and the mathematical relationships involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the circle's center is at (-b,0) with radius b, leading to a polar representation of the circle as $r_1 = -2b \cos \theta$.
  • Another participant introduces the parabola's equation in polar coordinates as $r_2 = \dfrac{2a}{1+\cos \theta}$ and discusses the condition for tangents of both curves to be parallel.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to express tangents in polar coordinates and proposes a ratio condition for the radial and transverse components of the tangents.
  • One participant rewrites the parabola's equation and discusses the geometric properties of the parabola, including the focus and directrix, and the angle of the normal at the point of tangency.
  • Another participant calculates the radius of the circle using properties of an isosceles triangle formed by the center of the circle and the point of tangency, leading to a formula for the polar coordinates of the circle's center.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of the problem, with some participants questioning whether it falls under pre-university math or a more advanced topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the problem and whether it fits into a specific educational category. There is no consensus on the final equation of the circle, as various approaches and interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the angle $\alpha$ as given and the implications for the circle's center. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of the circle's equation and the conditions for tangency.

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A circle is drawn through the focus of the parabola $2a/r=1+ \cos( \theta)$ to touch it at the point $\theta=\alpha$. Find the eq. of the circle in polar form.

Please help


 
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Re: conic in polar coordinates

suvadip said:
A circle is drawn through the focus of the parabola $2a/r=1+ \cos( \theta)$ to touch it at the point $\theta=\alpha$. Find the eq. of the circle in polar form.

Please help




Welcome to MHB, suvadip! :)

I'm assuming that your circle is one with its center at (-b,0) assuming that its radius is b.
If that is the case, the polar representation of that circle is:
$r_1 = -2b \cos \theta \qquad (1)$​

Let's combine that with your parabola
$r_2 = \dfrac{2a}{1+\cos \theta} \qquad (2)$​

Now we're looking at a point where the tangents of both curves are parallel.
Do you know how to express a tangent in polar coordinates?
If you want, I can explain.
For now, let me just say that the tangent has a radial component of $r'(\theta)$ and a transverse component of $r(\theta)$.

The tangents are parallel if the ratios of the radial components with their transverse components are equal.
In other words if:
$\dfrac{r_1'(\theta)}{r_1(\theta)} = \dfrac{r_2'(\theta)}{r_2(\theta)} \qquad (3)$​

Can you solve that?
 
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Re: conic in polar coordinates

Hold on!
Is this pre-university math? :confused:
Am I missing something?
 
Re: conic in polar coordinates

suvadip said:
A circle is drawn through the focus of the parabola $2a/r=1+ \cos( \theta)$ to touch it at the point $\theta=\alpha$. Find the eq. of the circle in polar form.

Please help



Writing the equation of the parabola as $r = 2a-r\cos\theta$, you see that the focus is at the origin and the directrix is the vertical line through the point $(2a,0)$.

(Click on the diagram to see a bigger version.)​

Using the property of the parabola that light rays from infinity are reflected to the focus, you see that the normal at the point of tangency makes an angle $\alpha/2$ with the horizontal. The centre of the circle has to lie on this normal line. Next, the value of $r$ when $\theta=\alpha$ is $\dfrac{2a}{1+\cos\alpha}$, and using a half-angle formula from trigonometry you can write this as $\dfrac{a}{\cos^2(\alpha/2)}.$

In the above diagram, the vertices of the pink triangle are the origin, the centre of the circle, and the point of tangency of the circle and parabola. The long side of the triangle has length $\dfrac{a}{\cos^2(\alpha/2)}$, and the centre of the circle has to lie on the perpendicular bisector of this line. The triangle is isosceles, its equal angles are both $\alpha/2$, and its shorter sides are both equal to the radius of the circle, call that $R$. It follows that $\dfrac{a}{2\cos^2(\alpha/2)} = R\cos(\alpha/2)$, and therefore $R = \dfrac{a}{2\cos^3(\alpha/2)}$. The polar coordinates of the centre of the circle are therefore $R$ and $\frac32\alpha$.

Now use the formula given here for the polar equation of a circle through the origin, to get the polar equation of the circle as $r\cos^3\bigl(\frac12\alpha\bigr) = a\cos\bigl(\theta - \frac32\alpha\bigr).$

@ ILikeSerena: If I have understood this question correctly, it certainly isn't pre-university math! (But I don't know which section to transfer it to.)​
 

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Re: conic in polar coordinates

Opalg said:

(Click on the diagram to see a bigger version.)​


Good point!
I didn't consider that the angle $\alpha$ should be considered as given and that the circle doesn't need to have a center on the x-axis.
@ ILikeSerena: If I have understood this question correctly, it certainly isn't pre-university math! (But I don't know which section to transfer it to.)

As it is, I'd consider it Analysis (our new sub forum ;))
 

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