What is the expectation of the number of great-grandsons a cell have?

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The discussion centers around a problem involving a cell that diverges into new cells, modeled as a geometric random variable with a success parameter. The original poster seeks to determine the expectation of the number of great-grandsons a cell has, referencing concepts from probability and branching processes.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula involving conditional expectations but feels stuck. They question whether their approach is correct. Some participants suggest that the problem relates to a Galton-Watson branching process, while others inquire about alternative methods due to unfamiliarity with this process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and approaches. Some guidance has been provided regarding the recursion relation for expected values, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants note that the original poster has not encountered the Galton-Watson process in their lectures, indicating a potential gap in background knowledge relevant to the problem.

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A cell diverges into X new cells. Each of them reproduces in the same manner. X is a geometric random variable with success parameter of 0.25.
What is the expectation of the number of great-grandsons a cell have?

2. The attempt at a solution
I thought about using the formula EX=EEX|Y somehow, but it wasn't very useful:
If the number of children is C
and the number of grandsons is G
and the number of great-grandsons is N
then
N|G=GX
G|C=CX
C=X

here I got stuck, is it the right direction at all?
thanks..:)
 
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The answer is simpler than that. This is an example of a Galton-Watson type of branching process.
 


thanks

but I've never heard of this process, not in our lectures, at least...
is there any other way?
 


Let Z_n be the number of offspring for generation n. Prove the recursion relation E[Z_n] = E[Z_1]E[Z_{n-1}], where Z_0=1 is the first generation. (Great-grandsons occurs at generation n=3.) You know that Z_1 is a geometrically distributed random variable as given and can find E[Z_1]. Now, note that the expected value of the number of offspring at generation n-1 will be the same as the expected value of the number of offspring that each "son" has at generation n. (It helps to draw a family tree.) Therefore, the number of offspring Z_n is a sum of Z_1 random variables each with probability distribution of Z_{n-1}. You should now be able to prove the recursion.
 

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