What is the final angular velocity of the system after the collision?

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The discussion revolves around the final angular velocity of a system after a collision, specifically addressing the application of conservation principles in a frictionless scenario involving coalescence of two bodies.

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  • Participants explore the validity of using conservation of energy in the context of a collision where two bodies stick together. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about energy conservation in different collision types, such as elastic versus inelastic collisions.

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Participants are actively questioning the assumptions related to energy conservation in the given scenario. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the collision and its implications on energy transfer, but no consensus has been reached on the application of conservation principles.

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There is a discussion about the implications of the collision type (coalescence vs. elastic) and the conditions under which conservation of energy can be applied. The original poster and others reflect on how rephrasing the problem could change the applicability of energy conservation.

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A particle of mass m = 0.10 kg and speed v0 = 5.0 m/s collides and sticks to the end of a uniform solid cylinder of mass M = 1.0 kg and radius R = 20 cm. If the cylinder is initially at rest and is pivoted about a frictionless axle through its center, what is the final angular velocity (in rad/s) of the system after the collision?
(A) 8.1
(B) 2.0
(C) 6.1
(D) 4.2
(E) 10
Relevant Equations
Li = Lf = Iω
I calculated as attached and got it right. However, I just wonder why we can't use conservation of energy as the question has already specified 'frictionless', meaning no energy loss and energy distributed to the rotation only.
 

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hidemi said:
why we can't use conservation of energy
You should never assume conservation of mechanical energy without good cause.
The scenario in this question is a coalescence: the two bodies stick together after colliding. Imagine what would happen if they did not do so, e.g. if it were a rubber ball hitting a protrusion from a concrete drum. Clearly the ball would bounce off. The glue that holds them together in the actual question has therefore absorbed the energy that would have been associated with that rebound.
 
haruspex said:
You should never assume conservation of mechanical energy without good cause.
The scenario in this question is a coalescence: the two bodies stick together after colliding. Imagine what would happen if they did not do so, e.g. if it were a rubber ball hitting a protrusion from a concrete drum. Clearly the ball would bounce off. The glue that holds them together in the actual question has therefore absorbed the energy that would have been associated with that rebound.
Oh I see.
If the question rephrases a bit, the ball hits the cylinder and bounces off as well as the frictionless remains, then the conservation of energy can be established. Let me know if I'm right.
 
hidemi said:
If the question rephrases a bit, the ball hits the cylinder and bounces off as well as the frictionless remains, then the conservation of energy can be established.
If it is a perfectly elastic bounce, yes.
 
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haruspex said:
If it is a perfectly elastic bounce, yes.
Thank you so much.
 

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