What Is the Final Temperature When Ice and Water Mix?

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The discussion revolves around a thermal equilibrium problem involving the mixing of ice and water. Specifically, 30g of ice at -15 degrees Celsius is combined with 100g of water at 25 degrees Celsius, and participants are exploring how to determine the final temperature of the mixture.

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  • Some participants attempt to derive the final temperature using energy balance equations, while others express confusion about the calculations and suggest breaking the problem into stages for clarity.
  • Questions are raised regarding the amount of heat required to melt the ice and whether there is sufficient energy in the system to achieve a complete phase change from ice to water.
  • Participants also discuss the specific heat capacities of ice and water, and how these affect the heat transfer calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on breaking down the problem into manageable steps, while others are questioning the assumptions and calculations presented. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcome yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are also differing values for specific heat capacities and latent heat being referenced, which could affect the calculations.

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30g of ice at -15 degree celsius is added to 100g of water at 25 degree celsius. What is the final temperature?

T1=ice
T2=H2O

at equilibrium must have
m1c1(Te-T1)+m1k=m2c2(T2-Te) [k=3.3x10^5 J/K fusion heat coeff.]

then
Te=(m1c1T1+m2c2T2-m1k)/(m1c1+m2c2)
T1=268 k
T2=298 K
c1=2090 J/(kg K)
c2=4186 J/(kg K)
Te=(0.02*2090*268+0.1*4186*298-0.02*3.3… / (0.02*2090+0.1*4186)
Te=280,9 K
Te=7.8 C

Final Temperature is 7.8 C

does this look ok?
 
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shin777 said:
30g of ice at -15 degree celsius is added to 100g of water at 25 degree celsius. What is the final temperature?

T1=ice
T2=H2O

at equilibrium must have
m1c1(Te-T1)+m1k=m2c2(T2-Te) [k=3.3x10^5 J/K fusion heat coeff.]

then
Te=(m1c1T1+m2c2T2-m1k)/(m1c1+m2c2)
T1=268 k
T2=298 K
c1=2090 J/(kg K)
c2=4186 J/(kg K)
Te=(0.02*2090*268+0.1*4186*298-0.02*3.3… / (0.02*2090+0.1*4186)
Te=280,9 K
Te=7.8 C

Final Temperature is 7.8 C

does this look ok?

Can't quite follow your calculations but looking at it conceptually.

Specific heat for ice is about half that of water, so you will need much less heat to warm the ice up to zero degrees than it takes to cool the water to zero degrees.
Less mass of ice, smaller temperature change and easier to change so a win on all three counts.

Big question - how much heat do you need to melt the ice?

If you need more heat to melt the ice than you need to cool the water to zero degrees you will end up with an ice/water mix at zero degrees.
 
hmm.. my tutor help me to solve this problem but now I look at it again, some of these equation don't make sense. any suggestion? :(
 
How many kg is 30 g of water?
 
Rather than write one huge equation which no one can understand, and which is prone to error, look at the problem in stages:

1. Find the amount of heat transfer to the ice to bring its temp. to 0 deg. C
2. Find the amount of heat transfer to the ice to cause its phase change from solid to liquid.
3. Find the equilibrium temperature of the now melted ice and the cooled water.

In this way, it is easier to detect and fix any mistakes in the calculations.
 
There doesn't appear to be enough energy in the starting components for all 130g to be water.

One way to do this is to work out the energy contained in the starting components (eg relative to absolute zero). Then apply conservation of energy... pretend you have 130g of ice at abs zero and see how hot it would end up be if you added that energy.

There appears to be enough to raise it all to 273K (aka 0C) but not quite enough left to melt it all to water.
 
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how about this one?
latent heat of fusion(L) = 80 cal g
Mc = mass of ice

heat gained = (Mc *4180 * 15) + (Mc * L) + (Mc * 4180 * t)
heat gained = (30 * 4180 *15) + (30 * 80) + (30 * 4180 * t)
t = -15c

final temp is -15c
 
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shin777 said:
how about this one?
latent heat of fusion(L) = 80 cal g
Mc = mass of ice

heat gained = (Mc *4180 * 15) + (Mc * L) + (Mc * 4180 * t)
heat gained = (30 * 4180 *15) + (30 * 80) + (30 * 4180 * t)
t = -15c

final temp is -15c

If you are going to use 80 for the latent heat, you need to use 1 for the SHC of water and about 0.5 for the ice.*

To heat the ice to 0 degrees you need

0.03 x 15 x 2090 Joules.

To melt all that ice you need 0.03 x 3.3 x 105 J

So to get the ice from -15 up to water at 0 degrees you need the sum of those two.

To Cool the water to 0 degrees you need to extract

0.1 x 25 x 4180 Joules

That is more than enough to get the ice up to zero degrees, but nowhere near enough to melt all the ice - so you will be left with a mix of ice and water - naturally at zero degrees.
 

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