What is the Flaw in Applying the Lorentz Factor to Time Dilation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Lorentz factor in the context of time dilation in special relativity. Participants explore the implications of using the Lorentz factor in vector problems, particularly when considering the direction of travel and its effects on perceived time. The conversation includes comparisons to the Doppler effect and raises questions about the validity of certain mathematical manipulations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the reduction of the Lorentz factor assumes absolute values of vectors, potentially leading to flawed conclusions about time dilation.
  • Another participant compares the situation to the Doppler effect, emphasizing the differences in perceived sound and light based on relative motion.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of mathematical cancellation and how it can lead to misunderstandings, using examples from algebra.
  • Some participants argue that the Lorentz factor should not be treated as a vector quantity, asserting that "c" and "v" represent speeds rather than vectors.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of negative velocities in the context of the Lorentz factor and whether they affect the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the Lorentz factor's application, particularly regarding its treatment of direction and vector properties. There is no consensus on whether the concerns raised about the Lorentz factor are valid or if they have been adequately addressed in the existing framework of special relativity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential for misunderstanding due to mathematical manipulations, particularly regarding the cancellation of terms in equations. The discussion also touches on the nuances of how velocity is treated in the context of time dilation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying special relativity, physics students exploring time dilation, or individuals curious about the mathematical foundations of relativistic effects.

  • #31
Antenna Guy said:
It's seems we agree (in an awkward sort of way) that the relativistic form is uni-directional; but the question of "why?" remains. The classical version yields two answers for one velocity (bi-directional result) - the relativistic form yields one answer for one velocity (uni-directional result).
I guess I don't understand what you mean by "two answers for one velocity". Do you mean "speed" rather than "velocity"? In the classical version, two objects which have equal speeds along the axis from the viewer to the object but opposite velocities (i.e. opposite directions, one object coming towards the viewer and one moving away) yield different doppler shifts, and exactly the same thing is true in the relativistic version. I don't understand why you think they're different, except for the magnitude of the shift for a particular velocity.
 

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