What Is the Force on a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force on a charged particle moving in a magnetic field, specifically using the formula F = qv x B, where the charge is negative and the velocity and magnetic field vectors are provided. Participants are exploring the cross product involved in this calculation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of determinants to compute the cross product and express confusion regarding the direction of the resulting force vector. There is an exploration of the steps taken to set up the determinant and the calculations involved.

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Some participants are actively working through their calculations and sharing their attempts. One participant has identified a mistake in their approach after receiving feedback, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is mention of a textbook answer that differs from the participant's calculation, leading to questions about the correctness of their method. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of the cross product and its application in this context.

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Homework Statement


a particle with a charge of -1.24 x 10^-8 c is moving with instantaneous velocity v= 4.19 x 10^4 i + -3.85 x 10^4 j (both in m/s). what is the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field a) 1.4 T i and b) 1.4 T k ?



Homework Equations



F = qv x B (cross product not multiplication)



The Attempt at a Solution



I tried using a determinate for part a where you put i j k and the velocity vector multiplied by q and then the magnetic field vector underneath that but i got -6.68 x 10^-4 i, however the books answers says that it is in the -k direction.

I don't understand the way my physics teacher does the cross multiplication that's why i tried using a determinate like in calculus...please help??
 
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bdh2991 said:

Homework Statement


a particle with a charge of -1.24 x 10^-8 c is moving with instantaneous velocity v= 4.19 x 10^4 i + -3.85 x 10^4 j (both in m/s). what is the force exerted on this particle by a magnetic field a) 1.4 T i and b) 1.4 T k ?



Homework Equations



F = qv x B (cross product not multiplication)



The Attempt at a Solution



I tried using a determinate for part a where you put i j k and the velocity vector multiplied by q and then the magnetic field vector underneath that but i got -6.68 x 10^-4 i, however the books answers says that it is in the -k direction.

I don't understand the way my physics teacher does the cross multiplication that's why i tried using a determinate like in calculus...please help??
Can you show your work ?
 
SammyS said:
Can you show your work ?

sure, this is what i was trying to do: for part a)

i , j , k
q(4.19x10^4) , q(-3.85x10^4) , 0
1.4 , 0 , 0

(i added commas in-between to not confuse)

i did the cross product using this determinate thinking it would give me the right answer and i got the right number just the wrong direction...

q(-3.85x10^4)(1.4) in the i direction, the book says -k direction...
 
bdh2991 said:
sure, this is what i was trying to do: for part a)

i , j , k
q(4.19x10^4) , q(-3.85x10^4) , 0
1.4 , 0 , 0

(i added commas in-between to not confuse)

i did the cross product using this determinate thinking it would give me the right answer and i got the right number just the wrong direction...

q(-3.85x10^4)(1.4) in the i direction, the book says -k direction...
Use the code icon, https://www.physicsforums.com/Nexus/editor/code.png , to display items with lots of spaces, like your determinant ... or simply use [CODE ] [/CODE ] tags.

Code:
i          ,                j            ,        k

q(4.19x10^4)  ,  q(-3.85x10^4)  ,    0

1.4           ,            0              ,     0

You are calculating your determinant incorrectly.

Show
what you multiply i by,
what you multiply j by,
what you multiply k by;​
including zeros, & prior to simplifying anything.
 
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I just figured out what i did wrong...i crossed out the columns and rows backwards...i didnt realize until you told me to write everything out lol thanks ...stupid mistake on my part
 

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