What is the force required to upright a tipped drum?

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The discussion revolves around determining the force required to upright a tipped 55-gallon drum weighing 518 pounds. Participants explore various factors influencing the lifting process, including the drum's contents, dimensions, and the mechanics involved in lifting and stabilizing the drum. The conversation touches on theoretical calculations, practical considerations, and safety implications in a workplace context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the force required to lift the drum can be calculated based on its tilt angle and weight, but emphasize the need for additional information about the drum's dimensions and contents.
  • There is a consensus that knowing whether the drum is full or partially filled is crucial, as it affects the center of mass and the force needed to lift it.
  • One participant notes that the type of contents (liquid, viscous syrup, or granular material) significantly influences the lifting dynamics and safety considerations.
  • Concerns are raised about the drum's tendency to roll on its rounded pivot point, requiring lateral forces for stability during lifting, which may exceed the lifting capacity of an individual.
  • Another participant proposes using a board near the pivot point to enhance stability and prevent the drum from sliding, but acknowledges the added complexity of lifting over an obstacle.
  • Calculations regarding torque and center of gravity are discussed, with one participant providing a formula for the torque needed based on the drum's weight and dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the drum's contents and dimensions for accurate calculations. However, there are multiple competing views on the best methods for lifting the drum and the factors that need to be considered, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific dimensions and details about the drum's contents, which are essential for accurate calculations. Additionally, the discussion highlights the complexity of lifting a cylindrical object with a round pivot point and the potential for sliding on smooth surfaces.

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55 gallon drum weighing 518 pounds is tipped over. How much force is needed to upright the tipped drum?
Summary: 55 gallon drum weighing 518 pounds is tipped over. How much force is needed to upright the tipped drum?

I am an environmental, health and safety professional in the food manufacturing industry. We recently had two employees that came upon a 55 gallon drum that was tipped over. The weight of the drum and contents was 518 pounds. They attempted to lit the drum by hand to the upright position. One of the employee injured their lower back attempting to lift the drum. I have been tasked with determining the required amount of force to lift and upright the tipped drum. Please let me know if you need additional information to assist with my task. Thank you.
 

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Summary: 55 gallon drum weighing 518 pounds is tipped over. How much force is needed to upright the tipped drum?

Summary: 55 gallon drum weighing 518 pounds is tipped over. How much force is needed to upright the tipped drum?

I am an environmental, health and safety professional in the food manufacturing industry. We recently had two employees that came upon a 55 gallon drum that was tipped over. The weight of the drum and contents was 518 pounds. They attempted to lit the drum by hand to the upright position. One of the employee injured their lower back attempting to lift the drum. I have been tasked with determining the required amount of force to lift and upright the tipped drum. Please let me know if you need additional information to assist with my task. Thank you.
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

The force as a function of tilt angle is pretty easy to calculate, and we can help you with that. However, keep in mind that we do not support accident investigations or reconstructions. That is for your local expert to support.

What math have you had so far? Have you had trigonometry? Do you know how to calculate the sum of torques on a rotating object?

Also, we prefer that attachments not be in Word or Excel type formats -- that can lead to security issues. It's better if you convert them to PDF format (using a free utility like PrimoPDF) before attaching them to posts. Thanks.
 
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We need dimensions for thee drum and need to know if it is full. If not full, what portion is filled?
 
Dr.D said:
We need dimensions for thee drum and need to know if it is full. If not full, what portion is filled?
I think the dimensions are pretty standard. I'd also assumed it was mostly uniformly filled, but it's still a good question for the OP.

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Ullage is important. How full is the drum?
Does the drum contain a liquid, a viscous syrup, or a granular material?
If granules, what is the rest angle of the surface?

To stand a heavy drum by hand it is easiest to roll one end up a ramp. But that cannot be done easily with a drum that is partly filled with a granular material. A drum handling trolley capable of standing a fallen drum should be provided.

The easiest drum (by weight) to stand is one partly filled with a liquid. The centre of mass of the contents initially moves very rapidly towards the base of the drum as the drum begins to tilt. That experience can give a worker a false impression of the effort that will be needed later to stand a full drum.
The position of the centre of mass, of a truncated cylindrical wedge is an interesting (solved) problem.
 
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Worst case, full drum, laying on a horizontal surface:
  • the Center-Of-Gravity (COG) is at the physical center of the drum
  • therefore, the Torque needed will be = {weight of drum} x 1/2 {length of drum}
  • lifting from one end gives you a lever arm twice the length of the lever from the COG
  • therefore the force needed to lift one end of the drum will be 1/2 {weight of drum}
Note that {weight of drum} is the gross weight, not net weight.

Ouch!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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MacMurchyEHS said:
Summary: 55 gallon drum weighing 518 pounds is tipped over. How much force is needed to upright the tipped drum?
I am an environmental, health and safety professional...
I have been tasked with determining the required amount of force to lift and upright the tipped drum
That's it?
Calculating , knowing the Cg of the drum, the vertical lifting force is fairly simple, but drums are complicated creatures. They are cylindrical with a round surface acting as a pivot point, and inadequate lifting grip points.

1. the drum will have a tendency to roll on its rounded pivot point touching the floor. In addition to the lifting force, the "employee" will in addition have to provide lateral forces to ensure a sideways stability, which he/she may not be able to adequately provide due to insufficient availability of strength of the employee if all muscle power is being used for lifting,
2. the drum will have a tendency to slip forward on the floor at some angle of lift, if the static friction is inadequate, or the drum is not blocked from moving forward, or if the employee does not compensate for this effect ( very difficult to compensate ), or a combination of all of the above. A polished concrete floor is an example where "all of the above" work against the drum being able to be righted, and at some point of lift the drum will just attempt to slide out from under you.

One way out is to lay a board near the pivot point so that when lifting the drum bottom surface has two points of contact to provide lateral stability; and if the friction between board and floor is enough, reduce or eliminate tendency of the drum to slide forward. The downside is that one is now lifting up and over a curb - in essence the whole mass of the drum has to lifted upwards the height of the curb.

Reason I mention this is that for future considerations, if you build a machine to right a drum, or do a write-up on how to right a drum, these items have to be taken into account for the robustness and safety of operation of the machine.
 

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