What is the formula for calculating momentum using i and j vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of momentum using vector components, specifically in the context of a projectile's motion. Participants explore the decomposition of momentum into horizontal (i) and vertical (j) components, and how these relate to the overall momentum of an object in motion.

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  • Participants discuss the initial momentum calculation and its components, questioning how to find the sides of a triangle formed by these components. There is exploration of the relationship between momentum at maximum height and the components of velocity. Some participants express uncertainty about the effects of gravity on the y-component of momentum and whether horizontal momentum remains constant.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of momentum in projectile motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the constancy of horizontal momentum and the implications of gravitational forces on vertical momentum. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the components of momentum at different points in the projectile's trajectory.

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it ask for the format in the picture provided. I don't know what is i or j. The equation for momentum is P=mv .

a)Im guessing initial momentum is 26*0.43=11.18.
unless its 26m/s at max height then initial momentum would be zero.
 

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The question asks you to decompose the momentum vector in its horizontal i and vertical j directions.The notation (i ,j ,k ) represents the units vectors in a along the x ,y z direction.
 
so 11.18 is the hypotenuse making a 90,27, 63 triangle. how would I find the sides?
 
Sneakatone said:
so 11.18 is the hypotenuse making a 90,27, 63 triangle. how would I find the sides?
Trigonometry
 
I ended up with x=5.08, y=9.96 ,
would that be the values for initial or maximum momentum?
 
These are the components of the initial momentum.
Can you work out the ball's momentum at its maximum height?
 
wouldnt momentum at max height be zero because velocity would also be zero?
 
Well, the y-component of the velocity will be zero.
What about the x-component?
 
I used the equation t=(vf-vi)/g
(0-26)/9.82=2.6s
5.08/2.6=1.9m/s * 0.43kg=0.84 kg* m/s
 
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What are the forces in the x-direction?
What does this tell you about how the x-component of the velocity changes?
 
  • #11
Are there no forces that act on it?
 
  • #12
After it leaves the foot, the ball only has the gravitational force on it acting vertically down.
There are clearly no horizontal forces on it, so the horizontal component of the velocity will be constant.
You should be able to calculate the momentum at the maximum height knowing this.
 
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so horizontal components will be the same as initial for max height.
based on the values I have for initial x=5.08, y=9.96 , I don't know what to do with them. I tried multiplying them by mass to get momentum.
 
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Sneakatone said:
I ended up with x=5.08, y=9.96 ,
The angle given is 27°. Although it doesn't specify, I suspect that the angle is with respect to the horizontal. (If so, you have the initial momentum components reversed.)

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so horizontal components will be the same as initial for max height.
based on the values I have for initial x=5.08, y=9.96 , I don't know what to do with them. I tried multiplying them by mass to get momentum.
Those are already the momentum components. (You already multiplied by the mass in an earlier step.)

At the highest point, one component goes to zero while the other remains what it was at the start.
 
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you are correct.
a)x=9.96 y=5.08
b)x=0.96 y=0
c) x=9.96 y=?
I still don't know the y component for y when the ball hits the ground.
 
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Sneakatone said:
you are correct.
a)x=9.96 y=5.08
b)x=0.96 y=0
c) x=9.96 y=?
I still don't know the y component for y when the ball hits the ground.

I presume you mean x=9.96 for (b).

From 2D kinematics, what is the y-component of the velocity when the ball hits the ground compared with its value to start with.
 
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Sneakatone said:
I still don't know the y component for y when the ball hits the ground.
If you throw something straight up with a speed V, what speed (and direction) will it have when it falls back down to your hand?
 
  • #18
yes sorry 9.96=x for b

its negative from the downward force of gravity
 
  • #19
@doc al the speed falling back down would be the same(speed V)
 
  • #20
I got it now it was -5.08=y ,
Thank you all for your help!
 

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