Velocity vectors in different directions for momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to momentum, specifically focusing on the addition of velocity vectors in different directions and the application of the conservation of linear momentum principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of momentum equation but expresses confusion about adding velocity vectors that are oriented in different directions. They question whether the vectors need to share the same directional components (i hat or j hat) for proper addition.
  • Some participants inquire about the workings of the conservation of momentum equation and suggest that vectors can be added component-wise, prompting a discussion on the correct approach to resolve the problem.
  • One participant illustrates a method of breaking down the momentum equation into components to facilitate solving for unknowns.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and offering guidance on how to approach the vector addition. There is a focus on clarifying the correct method for applying conservation of momentum in a multi-dimensional context.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of vector directionality and the necessity of component-wise addition in the context of momentum conservation. There is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding vector operations.

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Homework Statement


I'm stuck on this problem, and I don't really know how to approach it.
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Homework Equations


Pretty much just p=mv
And the conservation of linear momentum: total initial mv = total final mv

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried just plugging in the variables into the conservation of momentum equation, but it doesn't work out. I know you can't just add velocity vectors that are in different directions, right? They have to have the same I hat or j hat? How would you solve for them?
 
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jb007 said:
I tried just plugging in the variables into the conservation of momentum equation, but it doesn't work out. I know you can't just add velocity vectors that are in different directions, right? They have to have the same I hat or j hat? How would you solve for them?

What do you get when you try conservation of momentum? Can you show us your working? Vectors do add, but they add component by component, for example:
$$
(A\hat i + B \hat j) + (C\hat i + D\hat j) = (A+C)\hat i + (B+D)\hat j.
$$
 
So I used the conservation of p equation like this:

mv0i + 2m0.5v0j = mvf + 2m0.25v0i

But I know this must be wrong because the vectors here aren't adding by components.
 
It's easier if you follow Oro's notation:$$
m\; (v_0 \hat\imath + 0 \hat\jmath) + 2 m\; (0 \hat\imath + {\textstyle 1\over 2} v_0 \hat\jmath ) = ...$$This gives you two equations: one where you group all the ##\hat\imath## together -- this is the eqauation for conservation of momentum in the x direction -- and one where you group all the ##\hat\jmath## together

From two equations you can solve for two unknowns: the ##\hat\imath## component gives you the velocity component in the x-direction and the ##\hat\jmath## idem y-direction. Together they are the velocity vector, with two components (one or both may be zero, of course).
 
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