What is the formula for solving this Series/Sequence Problem?

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for a recursively defined sequence, specifically one defined by a1 = 4 and a_{n+1} = a_n + 4n. Participants explore various methods to derive a general formula for the nth term without relying on previous terms, as well as calculating specific terms in the sequence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula for the sequence to avoid repetitive calculations.
  • Another suggests writing out the first few terms to identify a pattern that leads to a formula for an.
  • A participant calculates specific terms of the sequence and identifies a potential formula involving the sum of an arithmetic series.
  • Another method is proposed that involves rewriting the recursive definition to explore differences between terms.
  • One participant expresses frustration at not being able to derive the formula despite calculating several terms.
  • Participants engage in a back-and-forth about differences between terms to gain insight into the sequence's behavior.
  • A formula is proposed that simplifies to 2n(n - 1) + 4, with participants discussing its correctness.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the help received, indicating a learning experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on a single formula or method, as participants explore different approaches and calculations without resolving the overall question definitively.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations and assumptions about the sequence's behavior are not fully resolved, and participants rely on different methods to approach the problem.

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[SOLVED] Series/Sequence Problem?

I'm trying to figure out a formula for this sequence problem, rather than doing this over and over 1,000 times. Does anyone have a clue for the formula to find this? I've pasted the info and also the answer.

Thanks for your time!
 

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Write out the formula for a1, a2, and a3 without summing and find the pattern so that you can write a formula for an that does not refer to an-1. It should remind you of a simple type of sum you already know a shortcut for.
 
{an} is defined, recursively, by a1= 4, [itex]a_{n+1}= a_n+ 4n[/itex]. Find a1000.

The first thing I would do is start calculating a few values (hoping I won't have to go up to 1000!).

a2= 4+ 4(1), a3[/sup]= 4+ 4(1)+ 4(2), a4[/sup]= 4+ 4(1)+ 4(2)+ 4(3).

Hmmm, looks to me like an= 4(1+ 2+ 3+ ...(n-1)) so a1000= 4(1+ 2+ 3+ ... + 999). Can you find 1+ 2+ 3+ ...+ 999? It's an arithmetic sequence with common difference 1. Or you could use "Euler's method".
 
Another method: rewrite the equation as:

an+1 - an = 4n;
so an+2 - an+1 = 4(n+1).​

Add them … what do you get … ? And then … ? :smile:
 
Gentlemen, I'm totally stuck. I sat here for the last 1.5 hrs and tried to figure this one out. I think that I'm making it too difficult. I've looked at the sequence all the way up through a6 and I'm just not seeing the formula.

I do know that to find the sum from 1 to 1000, would be (1000(1001))/2 or (n(n+1))/2. But I've tried finding the an like this also...dang I'm making this tuff aren't I?
 
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Hi ae4jm! :smile:

Humour me … what's an+2 - an? … what's an+3 - an? :smile:
 
I got 12 and 24?
 
Hi ae4jm! :smile:

Yes … that's a3 - a1 and a4 - a1.

But you'll get more of an idea of what's going on if you answer the general question:

what's an+2 - an? … what's an+3 - an? (in terms of n):smile:
 
I believe that the first one is 6-4=2 and 7-4=3, right?
 
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does this look correct for
Code:
[tex]a_{n}=4(\frac{n(n-1)}{2})+4[/tex]
 
  • #11
:biggrin: Woohoo! :biggrin:

And now, of course, simplify it to 2n(n - 1) + 4.

Any questions? :smile:
 
  • #12
Thanks! That was a dandy, for me anyways! I'm sure this practice will help me recognize these sequences a little better in the future. Thanks for sticking in there with me.
 

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