What is the frequency of the string now?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the tuning of a piano string, specifically focusing on the frequency of the string in relation to beat frequencies heard by a tuner. The subject area includes concepts from wave physics and harmonic motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between beat frequency and the possible frequencies of the string, with initial attempts to calculate these frequencies based on given data.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct application of equations to determine the frequency after adjusting the tension of the string.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of tightening the string on its frequency and the resulting beat frequency.
  • There is a consideration of how to relate tension changes to frequency adjustments.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of equations and the relationships between frequency, tension, and beat frequency. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly in relation to the equations used.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the distinction between period and tension in the context of the equations being used. Participants are also navigating through the implications of their calculations and the assumptions underlying their approaches.

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Homework Statement


While attempting to tune the note C at 523 Hz, a piano tuner hears 2.00 beats/s between a reference oscillator and the string.
(a) What are the possible frequencies of the string?
(b) When she tightens the string slightly, she hears 3 beats/s What is the frequency of the string now?
(c) By what percentage should the piano tuner now change the tension in the string to bring it into tune?



Homework Equations


I'm not sure what equation to use for part b.
freq= n/2L




The Attempt at a Solution


For part (a) I found that the two possible frequencies are5 23 +/- 2
so 535 Hz or 521 Hz

for part (b) I'm not sure how to get an actual value
From what I understand...when the string is tightened its frequency increase since the beat frequency goes up, its becoming more out of tune.. (is this correct?)

(I think I need part (b) to do (c))

Please help! Thanks!
 
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Hi crazyog,

I think you do part b the same way you did part a. It's just that since they tell you that she tightens the string, that will tell you whether to you plus or minus in your equation. What do you get?
 
Oh ok so I did Freq of beat = absolute value of (F1 - F2)
so...
3 = (524- F2)
solve for F2 = 526 Hz

Then for c I used the equation 2*pi/T = 2*pi*freq
I solve for T for the freq at 526 and at 523...(is that correect)
and I get an answer like T = .00190 and T = .001912 respectively.
not really sure about this...something I am missing ?
 
crazyog said:
Oh ok so I did Freq of beat = absolute value of (F1 - F2)
so...
3 = (524- F2)
solve for F2 = 526 Hz

Then for c I used the equation 2*pi/T = 2*pi*freq
I solve for T for the freq at 526 and at 523...(is that correect)
and I get an answer like T = .00190 and T = .001912 respectively.
not really sure about this...something I am missing ?

I think you might be misreading the equation; this T is the period not the tension. (Remember that tension has units of force.)

What equation relates the tension in the string to other things?
 
Oh ok so I want to use f = v/wavelength which is also equal to (1/2L)(sqrt(T/mu)

can't I set up a ration like F2/F1 = sqrt(T2/T1)
I saw this in the book but I was not sure how they reduced this
then I et T2 = (523/526)^2T1
T2 =0.989T1

but you want to do 1 - 0.989 (right?) so 0.0114
then reduced by 1.14 percent?
 
That looks right to me.

They reduced the fraction to that, because once they formed a ratio the variables that were the same for F1 and F2 cancelled.
 

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