What is the gas spring stiffness for a system with given pressures and volumes?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Fluidman117
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gas Springs
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on determining the gas spring stiffness for a system characterized by specific pressures (P_a, P_b) and volumes (V_a, V_b). The stiffness can be calculated using the formula k = A_p^2 * (ΔP/ΔV), where A_p is the piston cross-sectional area, ΔP is the change in pressure, and ΔV is the change in volume. The analysis distinguishes between adiabatic and isothermal processes, emphasizing that increasing the equilibrium pressure enhances the gas spring constant, resulting in a stiffer system. Additionally, the gas spring exhibits non-linear behavior as the spring rate varies with different stroke lengths.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of gas laws, specifically isothermal and adiabatic processes
  • Familiarity with the concept of spring stiffness and its mathematical representation
  • Knowledge of pressure-volume relationships in gas systems
  • Basic principles of mechanical engineering related to piston systems
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the implications of polytropic processes on gas spring modeling
  • Study the effects of varying piston cross-sectional area (A_p) on gas spring performance
  • Explore advanced formulas for calculating gas spring stiffness under dynamic conditions
  • Investigate the impact of excitation frequency on gas spring behavior
USEFUL FOR

Mechanical engineers, automotive suspension designers, and anyone involved in the design and analysis of gas spring systems will benefit from this discussion.

Fluidman117
Messages
34
Reaction score
0
Hey,

Lets say I have the following gas spring system:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47965009/asd.jpg

In which
P_a,P_b
are the pressures and
V_a,V_b
the volumes.

I would like to know how to determine the gas spring stiffness in this case?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Engineering news on Phys.org
First you would need to know whether the piston is insulating or not. If no heat flows in or out, you get a different result than if everything stays at the same temperature.

The idea would be to see how the pressures change when you displace the piston a small distance from equilibrium. From the pressures, you can get the net force on the piston. Once you have how the net force depends on the displacement, that should resemble a spring equation, and the constant of proportionality between the force and the displacement will be your gas spring constant.
 
Thanks for the reply. I have knowledge of the force that the spring is subjected to at a certain displacement. And it is easy to get the spring stiffness from that.

The spring stiffness depends on the pressure,volume and area inside the cylinder. Let's say I would like to increase my spring stiffness to a new value. For this I keep my volume and area constant and assume adiabatic and isothermal process. How do calculate the pressure increase or decrease required inside the cylinder for a different spring stiffness value?

I found a paper which proposed the following formula for spring rate( http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/cryogenics/publications/papers/High%20Speed%20Compressors%2015-Jun-2012.pdf) :

k=A_p^2*(ΔP/ΔV)

In which Ap cross section area of piston.
Thus in my case the formula:

k=A_p^2\frac{P_{b1}-P_{b0}}{V_{b1}-V_{b0}}

And the
P_{b0}
is the initial pressure in the cylinder at equilibrium? And by increasing or decreasing this pressure I also increase or decrease the spring stiffness of the gas spring system?
 
Last edited:
the process would have to be either adiabatic or isothermal.

If it's isothermal, then PV = const. If it's adiabatic, then PV^{\gamma}=const, where \gamma = \frac{C_{p}}{C_{v}}. In either case, increasing the equilibrium pressure will increase the constant, so that displacements with a higher baseline pressure will have higher restoring forces, i.e., a stiffer gas spring constant.
 
Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
I have found another paper that gives a formula for isothermal gas stiffness in cylinder.
k=\frac{P_{b0}A_{p}^2}{V_{b0}-A_{p}S}

In which S is the stroke. And from this formula it can be seen that the gas spring is actually non-linear as the spring rate changes with different stroke lengths.
 
Fluidman117 said:
Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
I have found another paper that gives a formula for isothermal gas stiffness in cylinder.
k=\frac{P_{b0}A_{p}^2}{V_{b0}-A_{p}S}

In which S is the stroke. And from this formula it can be seen that the gas spring is actually non-linear as the spring rate changes with different stroke lengths.

Hi,

there several approaches for modeling an air spring. You can model it as isothermal or polytropic process and it mostly depends by the excitation frequency, for very low frequency the process is almost isothermal and for higher ones the process is polytropic.
 
Last edited:
serbring said:
Hi,

there several approaches for modeling an air spring. You can model it as isothermal or polytropic process and it mostly depends by the excitation frequency, for very low frequency the process is almost polytropic and for higher ones the process is isothermal.

Can you consider 0.1Hz - 0.2Hz low frequency?
 
I'm sorry I made a mistake in my previous post. You can consider the process as isothermal
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
25
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
2K