What is the impact of speaker direction on noise levels?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of speaker direction on noise levels, particularly in the context of a brush cutter generating significant noise while music is heard from a distance. Participants explore how various factors, including speaker orientation and environmental conditions, affect sound perception and measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the sound level of music at the source, given the noise from the brush cutter and the distance from the speakers, while noting the effect of ear defenders.
  • Another participant highlights the complexity of measuring sound levels, stating that "dB at the source" is not well-defined and that speaker orientation affects sound emission.
  • A participant acknowledges multiple factors influencing sound calculations, including environmental features like a vertical escarpment, and seeks a simplistic formula to estimate sound levels at various distances.
  • One response mentions the inverse square law for sound intensity, indicating that sound intensity decreases with distance, and provides a rough conversion to dB for distance changes.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to sonar operations, discussing how background noise can obscure signals and how the brain can filter out noise, referencing practical applications in environments like aircraft carriers.

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Participants express varying views on the factors affecting sound perception and measurement, with no consensus reached on a specific formula or method for calculating sound levels at different distances.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on how to define sound levels at the source, the influence of environmental factors, and the complexity of sound propagation in different contexts.

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If I am using a brush cutter creating 98db at ear (manufacturers claim) and I can still hear music from 30m away what would the db be at the source of the music.

I was wearing ear defenders but presume that they would work equally on both sources of noise.

I am lead to believe that the source (i.e. speakers) were pointing away from me. Does the direction of the speakers have any impact?

What are your thoughts and is there a db range as an answer?
 
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To find any number, you would have to find out which db difference you could hear, which depends on the music and the noise and probably your ear and brain as well.
As a second problem, "db at the source" is not well-defined - the sound level depends on the position where you measure it, point-like sources do not emit sound.
And as third issue, speakers usually don't emit the same power in all directions. The orientation of the speakers does matter, and it is complicated to evaluate how.
In addition, the environment can reflect sound in some non-trivial way.
 
Thank you for those comments.

I agree that there are numerous factors that can affect the calculation for instance the vertical mudstone escarpment 12 meters in front of the speakers.

Most equipment these days seems to quote a db value for either a meter or for the user.

What I would like to achieve is something very simplistic.

I would like to calculate from the known facts a graph that would show what the sound would be at 10 meters and 20 meters ignoring all factors like orientation, atmosphere and topography etc.

Is there a simple formula to do this? If so it would be very helpful for the discussion I am having.
 
Without any reflection, absorption and other issues, the intensity drops with the inverse distance squared, if the distance is large compared to the size of the source.
This can be transferred to dB - a factor of 10 is 10dB, a factor of 4 (10m->20m) is something like ~6dB.
 
Your question reminds me of the difficulty sonar operators have when trying to isolate a submarine target by finding the "signal" when it's immersed in "noise". They use sopiisticated digital signal processing, including dFFTs to try to do this.

Your cutting machine generates the background noise, yet you can hear the music even with those ear protection "muffs" on. On an aircraft carrier flight deck with many jet engines running one can hear verbal communications from nearby neighbors. Seems our brains can filter out the "signal" from the "noise" without too much effort.

Here’s an excellent overview that contains several answers to your questions: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/sound/u11l2b.cfm

As for ear protection from noise from machinery and jet engines see what’s done at airports: http://www.noisebuster.net/nw-aviation.html
 

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