What Is the Impact Speed of a Meteoroid Approaching Earth?

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The discussion revolves around determining the impact speed of a meteoroid approaching Earth, specifically focusing on the conservation of energy principles in gravitational fields. The problem involves two meteoroids with an initial speed of 1 km/s as they cross the Moon's orbit.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the meteoroid's approach to Earth. There is a focus on whether to sum potential energies at different points and how to apply conservation of mechanical energy. Questions arise regarding the correct formulation of energy equations and the treatment of mass in these calculations.

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Some participants have offered guidance on employing conservation laws and specific mechanical energy concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to equate energies at different points in the meteoroid's trajectory, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the reference point for gravitational potential energy and the implications of mass cancellation in energy equations. There is also mention of potential typos in the equations presented by the original poster.

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Homework Statement



Q: "Two meteoroids are heading for earth. Their speeds as they cross the moons orbit are 1km/s.
The first meteoroid is heading straight for earth, what is it's speed of impact?"

Velocity = 1km/s
Rearth = 6.37E6 m
Dmoon = 3.84E8 m
G = 6.673E-11 N*m^2/kg^2

Homework Equations


E = 1/2mv^{2} - √G*Mearth*m/r

The Attempt at a Solution


PE = (G * Mearth * m)/Dmoon
KE = -PE
1/2mv^{2} = -PE

From there can cancel the masses (lower-case m) of the meteoroid and solve for v. I don't feel like that is the right track. Shouldn't it be as the PE goes to 0? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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MEwill said:

Homework Statement



Q: "Two meteoroids are heading for earth. Their speeds as they cross the moons orbit are 1km/s.
The first meteoroid is heading straight for earth, what is it's speed of impact?"

Velocity = 1km/s
Rearth = 6.37E6 m
Dmoon = 3.84E8 m
G = 6.673E-11 N*m^2/kg^2


Homework Equations


E = 1/2mv^{2} - √G*Mearth*m/r


The Attempt at a Solution


PE = (G * Mearth * m)/Dmoon
KE = -PE
1/2mv^{2} = -PE

From there can cancel the masses (lower-case m) of the meteoroid and solve for v. I don't feel like that is the right track. Shouldn't it be as the PE goes to 0? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Hi MEwill, Welcome to Physics Forums.

I'm not sure where you got the square root of G in the energy formula in your Relevant Equations, you might want to check that.

The standard zero reference for gravitational potential energy is taken to be at infinite distance, so PE will not be going to zero as the meteoroid approaches the planet's surface.

Instead, determine the total energy E at the given location (just crossing the Moon's orbit) and assume that that energy is conserved, so it's the same when it reaches the planet's surface.
 
The square root was a typo! I wasn't using it in my calculations. Figured it out I'm pretty sure. I wasn't adding the PE's. It should be the sum of the potential energy when crossing the moons orbit and the potential energy just before is reaches the Earth's surface (using radius of the earth) then set that = to the KE and solve for v? Just to make sure my logic is on the right track.
 
Not sure what you mean by "adding the PE's". You want to employ a conservation law, which in this case is conservation of mechanical energy (KE + PE = constant).

When the body in orbit is of insignificant mass with respect to the primary (here the Earth is the primary massive body) then you can work with what's called "specific" quantities. That's energy quantities given in "per unit mass" amounts. Essentially that means you just disregard the mass of the projectile when writing your conservation of energy equation. This is fine, since its mass always cancels out in the process of solving for the velocity anyways :smile:

In this problem you find what's known as the "specific mechanical energy" of the body and use the fact that this quantity is conserved:
$$\xi = \frac{v^2}{2} - \frac{\mu}{r}$$
where ##\mu = G M##, and ##M## being the mass of the Earth.

##\xi## is conserved along the trajectory of the projectile (meteoroid). So write the expression for ##\xi## for the two locations of interest and set them equal...
 

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