Asteroid close encounter: speed at perigee

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The discussion revolves around the speed of an asteroid as it approaches Earth, specifically at its closest point after passing the Moon's orbit. The original poster presents a calculation involving conservation of energy, but notes a significant discrepancy between their result and the expected speed provided by the professor.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy principles, questioning the use of units for distance and velocity. There is an exploration of the implications of using different unit systems, particularly regarding the gravitational constant.

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Some participants have offered guidance on unit conversions, suggesting that using meters instead of kilometers may resolve the discrepancies in calculations. The original poster acknowledges the advice and expresses a willingness to adjust their approach based on this feedback.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring consistent units throughout the calculations, particularly in relation to the gravitational constant and the energy equations being used. The original poster's calculations were initially performed in kilometers, which may have contributed to the confusion.

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Homework Statement


an asteroid heading towards earth, has a speed of 7.25 km/s as it passes the moons orbit, kit misses Earth by 5000km. What is the speed at the closest point to earth?

The professor provided us with the solution, which should be 11.0 km/s, however when I do the calculation, using the given values, my number is way off.

Is there a conversion I should be doing that I may not know about?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy for an asteroid is
(.5) mVi^2-((GmMearth)/Ri) = (.5) mVf^2-((GmM_earth)/Rf)

The Attempt at a Solution


Vi = 7.25 km/s

Ri = distance from the moon to Earth = 384,000km
Rf = radius of Earth + 5000km = 11400km
Mearth =5.972x10^24

G = 6.67384x10^-11

solve for Vf

Vf = SQRT[ Vi^2 + 2GMearth ((1/Rf)-(1/Ri))] = 260475.0801
 
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rickyjoepr said:

Homework Statement


an asteroid heading towards earth, has a speed of 7.25 km/s as it passes the moons orbit, kit misses Earth by 5000km. What is the speed at the closest point to earth?

The professor provided us with the solution, which should be 11.0 km/s, however when I do the calculation, using the given values, my number is way off.

Is there a conversion I should be doing that I may not know about?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy for an asteroid is
(.5) mVi^2-((GmMearth)/Ri) = (.5) mVf^2-((GmM_earth)/Rf)

The Attempt at a Solution


Vi = 7.25 km/s

Ri = distance from the moon to Earth = 384,000km
Rf = radius of Earth + 5000km = 11400km
Mearth =5.972x10^24

G = 6.67384x10^-11

solve for Vf

Vf = SQRT[ Vi^2 + 2GMearth ((1/Rf)-(1/Ri))] = 260475.0801
In your formulas, you use kilograms which is correct, but you need to use meters and not kilometers for distance as well as velocity (m/sec). The constant ## G ## works in meters, and the energy it computes works in m/sec. Once you solve for ## v_f ## in m/sec, you can then convert it back to km/sec.
 
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Charles Link said:
In your formulas, you use kilograms which is correct, but you need to use meters and not kilometers for distance as well as velocity (m/sec). The constant ## G ## works in meters, and the energy it computes works in m/sec. Once you solve for ## v_f ## in m/sec, you can then convert it back to km/sec.

I thought it was an issue with G, I was trying to convert G to km , but I will try what you suggested

edit: and even if i dd convert G to km, it would still be wrong as the kg Mass of Earth must work with m/s
 
rickyjoepr said:
I thought it was an issue with G, I was trying to convert G to km , but I will try what you suggested
The energy that your equation ## U=-GMm/r ## computes is in joules, so it is much easier to work with ## G ## in the M.K.S. system as is, and simply convert the velocities and distances, and convert ## v_f ## back at the end to km/sec.
 
Charles Link said:
The energy that your equation ## U=-GMm/r ## computes is in joules, so it is much easier to work with ## G ## in the M.K.S. system as is, and simply convert the velocities and distances, and convert ## v_f ## back at the end to km/sec.

Everything worked out, I had been at that for hours, thank you for your guidance. I learned something
 
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