What is the independent variable in the equation d^2y/dx^2 + d^2x/dy^2 = 1?

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The discussion revolves around the equation involving second derivatives, specifically d²y/dx² + d²x/dy² = 1. Participants are exploring the nature of this differential equation and the relationships between the variables x and y.

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify the equation and explore different forms, including rewriting it as y'' + x'' = 1. There are discussions about the implications of treating derivatives as fractions and the potential for errors in notation. Some participants are questioning the correctness of their manipulations and considering various substitutions to approach the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to manipulate the equation and explore its implications. Some participants have provided guidance on using substitutions and integrating, while others express uncertainty about their approaches. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the notation of higher derivatives and the implications of their manipulations. There is an acknowledgment of potential typos and the need for careful consideration of the relationships between the derivatives of x and y.

  • #31
Unit said:
How is it a 3rd order equation if the original problem involved only 2nd derivatives? Do you mean it was a polynomial equation of the 3rd degree? That would make more sense.

Yes. I am sorry for the bad terminology.
 
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  • #32
Unit said:
...Then we can integrate

\int 1 - \frac{1}{u^3} du = \int dx

u + \frac{1}{2u^2} = x + C

I don't see anything wrong with this approach. The problem that I am having is that Mathematica delivers a completely different result, that's not at all pretty by the way, involving several lines.
 
  • #33
The integral curves in parametric form seem to be correct. What I don't understand is that the problem asked for a solution in terms of either x or y and this is not the case for the one given. Are you sure you were asked to solve for either x or y? Didn't they just ask for a family of integral curves?
 
  • #34
hellofolks said:
The integral curves in parametric form seem to be correct. What I don't understand is that the problem asked for a solution in terms of either x or y and this is not the case for the one given. Are you sure you were asked to solve for either x or y? Didn't they just ask for a family of integral curves?

Actually, the problem was inspired by the textbook I'm currently perusing (Murray R. Spiegel's Applied Differential Equations, 3rd. ed). Question C1 on page 14 reads,
In the equation dy/dx + dx/dy = 1, which variable is independent? Which variable is independent in the equation

\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} + \frac{d^2x}{dy^2} = 1
I know that in both of these equations the distinction between dependent and independent variables is blurred. It was out of curiosity that I wanted to find solutions. As you can see in the thread for the first equation, we succeeded to find a y = F(x). I naively assumed it was possible for the second-order equation, too. So that's why my instruction in the first post was "Solve for either x or y"; I made it up.
 

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