Solve x or y: dy/dx + dx/dy = 1

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The problem involves solving the equation \(\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{dx}{dy} = 1\) for either variable, x or y. The discussion centers around the implications of complex numbers arising from the quadratic equation derived from the original equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the transformation of the original equation into a quadratic form, questioning the validity of complex solutions and their implications. There is also a discussion about the nature of the solutions and whether they meet the problem's requirements.

Discussion Status

The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the nature of the solutions, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the involvement of complex numbers. There is acknowledgment of the need to focus on the correct variable in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential confusion between the derivatives and the original variables, highlighting the importance of correctly interpreting the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


Solve for either x or y:
\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{dx}{dy} = 1

Homework Equations


I don't know any.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let

y' = \frac{dy}{dx}

so then the problem becomes

y' + \frac{1}{y'} = 1

y'^2 + 1 = y'

y'^2 - y' + 1 = 0

So then I thought, why not use the quadratic equation? I get

y' = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2}

And indeed, adding this to its reciprocal gives a sum of 1:

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2} + \frac{2}{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}} = 1

What does not sit well with me, though, is that complex numbers are involved. Is that allowed? Furthermore, would y = Ax + C be a solution (where A is the complex number from two lines up)?
 
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EDIT: oh wow...I just realized that we're dealing with (y')^2 and not y'' . Please ignore all of the following then haha...I'll leave it up in case you're interested in at all. But it won't help you solve your problem.First, we solve the homogeneous case of this second-order differential equation with constant coefficients.

y'' - y' = 0

We easily find two solutions of this homogeneous case:

y_1= c and y_2=e^x ,

where c is just a constant. Thus, we now look for a particular solution of the nonhomogeneous case

y'' - y' = -1.

Since the right-hand side is a constant, we look for particular solutions of the form

y_p = kx,

where k is simply a constant. Differentiating twice and substituting into our equation, we can solve for k. We find

k = 1,

meaning that

y_p = x.

Thus, the general solution to this second-order differential equation is:

y_g = y_c + y_p = c_1 + c_2e^x + x.

I hope this helped.
 
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y' = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2}

What does not sit well with me, though, is that complex numbers are involved. Is that allowed? Furthermore, would y = Ax + C be a solution (where A is the complex number from two lines up)?

Yes, this is the solution.
 
Unit said:

Homework Statement


Solve for either x or y:
\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{dx}{dy} = 1

Homework Equations


I don't know any.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let

y' = \frac{dy}{dx}

so then the problem becomes

y' + \frac{1}{y'} = 1

y'^2 + 1 = y'

y'^2 - y' + 1 = 0

So then I thought, why not use the quadratic equation? I get

y' = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2}

And indeed, adding this to its reciprocal gives a sum of 1:

\frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2} + \frac{2}{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}} = 1

What does not sit well with me, though, is that complex numbers are involved. Is that allowed? Furthermore, would y = Ax + C be a solution (where A is the complex number from two lines up)?
Yes, that works.
 
Well,
"y' = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2}"

is NOT the solution because the problem asked you to solve for y, not y'.

The solution is
y = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{-3}}{2}x+ C
 
Thanks a lot everyone! :D
 

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