What is the Integral of a Function with a Constant in the Denominator?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of a function with a constant in the denominator, specifically the expression \(\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1/x + C}}\), where \(C\) is a constant. Participants explore various approaches to solving this integral, including substitutions and transformations, while addressing potential ambiguities in the integrand's formulation.

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  • One participant proposes rewriting the integrand using the substitution \(u=\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}}\) to facilitate integration.
  • Another participant questions whether the original expression is \(\frac{1}{x}+ C\) or \(\frac{1}{x+C}\), indicating potential confusion in the formulation.
  • Some participants suggest that the integral \(\int \sqrt{x+C}dx\) can be derived from \(\int \sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}} dx\), but this claim is contested.
  • A participant describes a lengthy approach involving trigonometric substitution and expresses that the problem would be suitable for a calculus class assignment.
  • Another participant provides a detailed transformation of the integral, leading to a more manageable form, but acknowledges that the resulting integral is still complex.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the integral, with one participant sharing a complicated result obtained from Mathematica.
  • Several participants discuss the benefits of changing variables from \(x\) to \(u\) to simplify the integral, noting that this can transform a difficult expression into a rational function.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for clarifications regarding the transformation and the utility of the substitution method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the original integrand and the validity of various approaches to solving the integral. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the original expression and the assumptions made during transformations. The discussion includes various mathematical techniques and substitutions, but the effectiveness and correctness of these methods are not universally agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in calculus, particularly those interested in integration techniques involving square roots and rational functions.

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[tex]\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1/x + C}}[/tex] where C is a constant. Any ideas?
 
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Rewrite your integrand as:
[tex]u=\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}}[/tex]
Try and integrate with respect to u; that usually works in cases like this.
 
Is that [itex]\frac{1}{x}+ C[/itex] or [itex]\frac{1}{x+C}[/itex]?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Is that [tex]\frac{1}{x}+ C[/tex] or [tex]\frac{1}{x+C}[/tex]?

The former, viz. [tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}+C}} dx = \int\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}} dx,[/tex] is nasty looking and the later is quite simple, of chourse it is just [tex]\int\sqrt{x+C}dx = \frac{2}{3}(x+C)^{\frac{3}{2}}+C_1[/tex]
 
Maybe a little longer approach,
But this is the way I’d approach this in a cal 2 class
Please excuse the notation.

First rewrite integral sqrt(X)/sqrt(1+CX) dx

Now let 1/x =u^2
dx=-2/(1/u^3)du
also let a^2 = c to make notation a little easier to work with.

This will yield an integral that look likes within constants
1/(u^3 sqrt(u^2+a^2) ) du

Now use a standard trig substitution let tan(angle)= a^2 u^2
the top numerator is just sec^2(angle) *d (angle)
the bottom portion is tan(angle)^3 * sec(angle)

Now simplify
We are integrating to within a constants sec(angle)/tan^2(angle) * d(angle)

Still have some simplification to do using the definition of tan = sin/cos
And sec=1/cos.

The form reduces to cos(angle) d(angle) / sin^2 (angle)
The integral is of this form is 1/sin^3(angle) and now all you need to do is all the back substitution.

And you can now begine to see the (2/3)(X+C)^(3/2) form reported by Benorin

If I was teaching cal 2 ( I’m doing cal 1) this semester I’d consider this a great take home problem for credit.

A rewrite would be nice if someone has a program which writes in a better math notation.

Again this is a great problem!
 
To give a few hints on my approach, we start with:
[tex]u=\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}}\to{u}^{2}=\frac{x}{1+Cx}\to{x}=\frac{u^{2}}{1-Cu^{2}}[/tex]

We therefore have:
[tex]\frac{dx}{du}=\frac{2u(1-Cu^{2})+2Cu^{3}}{(1-Cu^{2})^{2}}=\frac{2u}{(1-Cu^{2})^{2}}[/tex]
by which it follows:
[tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}}dx=\int\frac{2u^{2}}{(1-Cu^{2})^{2}}du[/tex]
The latter integral is easily calculated.
 
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Easily??
Well, the previous ones seem to be wrong, I got this monster from mathematica:

[tex]\frac{cx+1}{c \sqrt{c + \frac{1}{x}}} - \frac{\sqrt{cx+1} asinh {\sqrt{cx}} }{c^{3/2} \sqrt{c + \frac{1}{x}} \sqrt {x}}[/tex]

BTW, how did you guys derieved [tex]\int\sqrt{x+C}dx[/tex] from [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}} dx[/tex]?
 
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gulsen said:
Easily??
Well, the previous ones seem to be wrong, I got this monster from mathematica:

[tex]\frac{cx+1}{c \sqrt{c + \frac{1}{x}}} - \frac{\sqrt{cx+1} asinh {\sqrt{cx}} }{c^{3/2} \sqrt{c + \frac{1}{x}} \sqrt {x}}[/tex]

BTW, how did you guys derieved [tex]\int\sqrt{x+C}dx[/tex] from [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}} dx[/tex]?
No, we did not say that:
[tex]\int \sqrt{x + C} dx = \int \sqrt{\frac{x}{1 + Cx}} dx[/tex]
What benorin says is just that, if the original integral is:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{x + C}}}[/tex], then it can be rearranged to give:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{x + C}}} = \int \sqrt{x + C} dx[/tex].
:)
 
Whoops! :)
Hmm, well then, what if it was [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{x}{1+Cx}} dx[/tex]? If what mathematica says is true, then it's going to be a BIG headache to solve. But I want to see what this headache is!
 
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Partial fractions is not a big headache. Tedious perhaps.
 
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Hint:
Use integration by parts first:
[tex]\int\frac{2u^{2}}{(1-Cu^{2})^{2}}du=\frac{u}{C(1-Cu^{2})}-\frac{1}{C}\int\frac{du}{1-Cu^{2}}[/tex]
Use partial fractions on the latter integral, and you're done
 
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How can you write 1 + Cx when the original is 1/x + C? Pardon my ingnorance on this subject, but we just started these last week.
 
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misskitty said:
How can you write 1 + Cx when the original is 1/x + C? Pardon my ingnorance on this subject, but we just started these last week.
Very good question, misskitty!
Remember that the original integrand is [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}+C}}[/itex]
Now, we may rewrite this as:
[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}+C}}=\sqrt{\frac{1}{\frac{1}{x}+C}}=\sqrt{\frac{x}{x}*\frac{1}{\frac{1}{x}+C}}=\sqrt{\frac{x}{Cx+1}}[/tex]
 
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OH! So you CAN do that because all you've done is multiplied by a name for one inside the radical! That would have made one of my problems so much easier. Thanks for explaining. :biggrin:

~Kitty
 
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Also what's the purpose of changing the variable from x to u? What's the difference between integrating with respect to x or respect to u? Its still integrating with respect to a variable.

~Kitty
 
  • #16
Note that the u-substitution transforms your integral from an ugly expression involving a square root into a rational function (i.e, whose numerator and denominator are polynomials).
Since we know how to integrate rational functions, we've just made our original problem easily solvable..
 
  • #17
So by replacing it with u then you can just deal with the numbers without the square root and then once everything is worked out then you can take the square root. Do I have this correct?

~Kitty
 
  • #18
Yes, having found your anti-derivative in u, just replace every u through [itex]u=\sqrt{\frac{x}{Cx+1}}[/itex], and you're done.
 
  • #19
I get it now! Yay. Thanks for the patience to explain it. :biggrin:

~Kitty
 

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