What is the Integral of Square Root of T over T+1 with Substitution?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral of the square root of \( t \) over \( t+1 \) using substitution methods. Participants explore the process of changing variables in definite integrals and the implications for bounds and integrands.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral \( \int_0^4 \frac{\sqrt{t}}{t+1} dt \) and proposes the substitution \( U = \sqrt{t} \), leading to a new integrand \( \frac{U}{U^2+1} \).
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of changing the bounds when performing the substitution, noting that the new bounds become \( 0 \leq u \leq 2 \) as \( u = \sqrt{t} \).
  • A participant suggests rewriting the integrand as \( 1 - \frac{1}{U^2 + 1} \) to facilitate integration.
  • One participant calculates the integral and arrives at a numerical approximation of \( 1.7857 \), while another confirms this result and provides a more precise approximation of \( 1.78570256441182 \).
  • There is a mention of the importance of not reverting to the original variable after the substitution is complete.
  • A participant expresses a need for more practice with these types of problems, indicating some difficulty in understanding the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of substitution and the resulting calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the overall approach or clarity of the process, as one participant expresses confusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of changing bounds and rewriting the integrand correctly, but there are no explicit resolutions to any misunderstandings or uncertainties expressed in the discussion.

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Students or individuals seeking to understand integration techniques, particularly those involving substitution in definite integrals, may find this discussion beneficial.

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$\displaystyle
\int_0^4 {\frac{\sqrt{t}}{t+1}}dt
$

$\displaystyle
U=\sqrt{t}\ \ \ t=U^2 \ \ \ dt=2Udu
$

$\displaystyle
\frac{\sqrt{t}}{t+1} \Rightarrow \frac{U}{U^2+1}
$

$\displaystyle
\int_0^4 \frac{U}{U^2+1} 2Udu
$

if ok so far tried $U= sec^2(\theta)$

but couldn't not get answer which is

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When you perform a substitution with a definite integral, you need to change the bounds. So for $0\le t\le4$ you get $0\le u\le 2$ since $u=\sqrt t.$ Now, note that $\dfrac{{{u}^{2}}}{{{u}^{2}}+1}=\dfrac{{{u}^{2}}+1-1}{{{u}^{2}}+1}=1-\dfrac{1}{{{u}^{2}}+1},$ so if you integrate the right side, you'll see immediate integrals there.
 
Krizalid said:
When you perform a substitution with a definite integral, you need to change the bounds. So for $0\le t\le4$ you get $0\le u\le 2$ since $u=\sqrt t.$ Now, note that $\dfrac{{{u}^{2}}}{{{u}^{2}}+1}=\dfrac{{{u}^{2}}+1-1}{{{u}^{2}}+1}=1-\dfrac{1}{{{u}^{2}}+1},$ so if you integrate the right side, you'll see immediate integrals there.

So this will go to
$2\left[U-\tan^{-1}(U)\right]_0^4$
$2\left[√t-\tan^{-1}√t\right]_0^4=1.7857$
 
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You have the correct result, but you could have just used:

$$2\left[u-\tan^{-1}(u) \right]_0^2=2\left(2-\tan^{-1}(2) \right)\approx1.78570256441182$$

Once you make a substitution in a definite integral and have rewritten the integrand, differential and limits in terms of the new variable, there is no need to consider the old variable again. :D
 
I that about that...
Still need more practice I get stuck easy with these...

Mahalo
 

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