What is the magnetic saturation of gadolinium?

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The discussion centers around the magnetic saturation of gadolinium, including inquiries about its Curie temperature and the relationship between its ferromagnetic properties and temperature. Participants explore various sources of information and express challenges in finding specific data.

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  • Some participants inquire about the magnetic saturation and Curie temperature of gadolinium, noting difficulties in finding relevant data.
  • One participant mentions finding Bohr magnetron data but is unclear on its relevance to saturation flux.
  • Another participant suggests that gadolinium exhibits ferromagnetic behavior up to 250 K and provides a saturation level of around 2.3 T at 4 K.
  • A later reply references a source indicating a saturation flux of 2.5 T and a Curie temperature of 16 °C, questioning whether gadolinium is paramagnetic at room temperature.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of gadolinium's magnetic properties at different temperatures and suggest experimentation.
  • One participant asserts that gadolinium is nonmagnetic and lacks ferrite, proposing its use in signal transmission instead.

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Participants express differing views on gadolinium's magnetic properties, with some asserting it is ferromagnetic under certain conditions while others claim it is nonmagnetic. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of gadolinium's magnetic saturation and its behavior at room temperature.

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Participants reference various sources and data points, but there are limitations in the clarity and consistency of the information regarding gadolinium's magnetic properties, particularly concerning temperature effects and definitions of saturation.

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Just interested to know what the flux saturation of gadolinium is, and what is its Curie temperature?

I can't find any data on it at all.

thanks.
 
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cmb said:
Just interested to know what the flux saturation of gadolinium is, and what is its Curie temperature?

I can't find any data on it at all.

thanks.

Google it ... it's really easy to do, there's tons of info available :smile:
 
I have.

I find Bohr magnetron data, no idea how that relates to saturation flux, if anything.

The hits I get are all about MRI, due to the gadolinium marker they use for some scans, and I can't search for anything beyond that.

Maybe your skills at using search engines are better than mine and you could offer a suitable search term and I'll review the top 10 that come up to see if something covers it?
 
berkeman said:
I did a Google search on your thread title, and seem to get good hits. Have you seen these already?

https://www.google.com/search?q=What+is+the+magnetic+saturation+of+gadolinium?&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
Yes, they are all showing as 'opened' in the usual browser colour on my computer, I have already gone through those.

What I have found is an indication that its ferromagnetic behaviour has been tested up to 250degK, and that at 4K it is around 2.3T, and there are some indications of similar saturation levels in films.

What I would like to know is if I have a machined block of it on my desk, at room temperature, what is its saturation flux?

As it is one of only 5 elements that exhibit ferromagnetism, I'd have thought it might make an appearance on a graph such as the one on the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturation_(magnetic) .
 
cmb said:
http://academic.uprm.edu/pcaceres/Courses/Smart/SMD-7A.pdf

Slide 31/76 appears to say it is 2.5T, Curie temp 16C. I presume a piece at [warm] room temperature is therefore not ferromagnetic at all but paramagnetic?
If that info is correct, it is paramagnetic at room temperature =## 20^{\circ} ## C, but will be ferromagnetic if you go to cool "room" temperatures=## T<60^{\circ} ## F. ## \\ ## If you can get a sample, it should be interesting for you to experiment with the temperature phase change.
 
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I've actually come across a video on YouTube recently that demonstrates this property of Gadolinium (Look at 5:00):
 
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Thanks for linking it in, a great video, and thanks to that youtuber.

Interesting questions there about why iron has the highest ferromagnetic response at the surface, but cobalt at a distance.
 
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There is no magnetic saturation because it nonmagnetic it does not have any ferrite. It can be used to make a great transmitter by using it in a transceiver as the collector of the signals.
 

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