What is the Mass of a Sample Given its Half-Life?

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of a sample based on its half-life and activity, specifically focusing on the conversion of units from kilograms to micrograms and the application of relevant equations in radioactive decay.

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  • Participants explore the use of the activity equation to find initial activity and relate it to the number of nuclei. There are questions about unit conversions, particularly between kilograms and micrograms, and the implications of using different units for decay constants.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on unit conversions and questioning the assumptions made regarding the initial and final quantities of undecayed nuclei. Some participants suggest revisiting the calculations to clarify discrepancies in results.

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There are mentions of specific values and units, such as the activity in becquerels and the need to consider Avogadro's number in calculations. Participants express uncertainty about their previous calculations and seek clarification on the relationships between the variables involved.

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So I need that in micrograms tho. So 4402*10^-18/1000=4.4*10^-18kg. or 4.4*10^-12 micrograms

that stills say it's wrong tho.
 

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Perhaps you should use the activity equation A(t) = A0 e-λt to find the initial activity A0 and convert that to the initial number of nuclei.
 
Didn't we do that at the bottom of the image?
 
Watch units. A bequerel is defined how?

I don't follow your conversion of kg to μg.
 
Oh! So:
4402 * (10^(-18)) kg = 4.40200 × 10-6 micrograms

BUT bequerel is s^-1 @ 10^-6 so answer is 4.4micrograms?
 
Noreturn said:
Didn't we do that at the bottom of the image?
Not really. To reinforce what @TSny posted, assuming that you found A0, what is the number for λ in N0 = λ A0 when A0 has Bq units?
 
Noreturn said:
BUT bequerel is s^-1 @ 10^-6 so answer is 4.4micrograms?
I asked about the bequerel because your λ is in terms of years.
 
I was not able to figure this out. Any help on where I went wrong is appreciated. So I'm guessing I did the -.1322 wrong based on what you guys have mentioned.
 
Look at the equation A = λ N. Put in the numbers including the units attached to each number. Then you will see what is going on.
 
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Do I need to divide by Avogadro constant?
 
  • #11
Noreturn said:
Do I need to divide by Avogadro constant?
Not in this equation. Just do what I suggested.
 
  • #12
4*10^9 Bq =.132yr^-1*N

or

4*10^9Bq = 4.18291693 × 10-9 Bq * N

N= 9.56*10^17

9.56*19^17/e^(.132*3) = 6.43*10^17

(6.43*10^17)(1.66*10^-27)(58.93) =6.28*10^-8kg or 6.3ug
 
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That's better but still incorrect. What does N= 9.56*10^17 represent? What about 6.43*10^17? What number is that? If N is the number of undecayed nuclei, after 3 years (when the activity is 4*10^9Bq) and 6.43*10^17 is the initial number of undecayed nuclei, which one should be the larger number? Also, what are the units of 1.66*10^-27 and 58.93?
 
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So Muliplying 1.66*10^-27 and 58.93 converts mass number of Cobalt from amu to kg.The Initial should be bigger.

Just realized I may have had it right but I forgot to convert the kg to g. So my answer should have been 6.28ug
 
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Noreturn said:
The Initial should be bigger.
I agree, but when you start with the equation A = λ N, then you say A = 4*10^9Bq, that "A" is the final A and the number N = 9.56*10^17 that you get from it is the final N. So, what is the initial N that should be larger than 9.56*10^17? That's why I suggested that you find the initial activity in post #2.
Noreturn said:
Just realized I may have had it right but I forgot to convert the kg to g. So my answer should have been 6.28ug
I prefer to look at it this way: If you have N atoms of atomic weight AW, the mass of the sample is given by
$$m=AW \left(\frac{grams}{mole} \right)\times N (atoms) \times \frac{1}{N_{Avog.}} \left(\frac{mole}{atoms} \right)=AW\times \frac{N}{N_{Avog.}}(grams)$$
It's not a coincidence that the inverse of Avogadro's number (1.66×10-24) matches the mass of a proton (or neutron) in grams, 1.67×10-24.
 

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