What is the Mass of the Andromeda Galaxy?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the mass of the Andromeda galaxy based on the orbital speed of a star at its edge. Participants are analyzing the gravitational and centripetal forces involved, utilizing relevant equations from physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational force equations and centripetal acceleration to derive the mass of the galaxy. There is confusion regarding the assumptions made about mass distribution and the variables used in calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the setup of the problem and clarifying the variables involved. Some have pointed out errors in unit conversions and the interpretation of the problem statement, while others are attempting to reconcile their calculations with expected results.

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There is ambiguity regarding the notation used for distance, specifically the term "g x 10^9 AU," which some participants have clarified as a misinterpretation. The problem involves converting units and applying gravitational equations correctly, which has led to varied interpretations and calculations among participants.

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known

A star at the edge of the Andromeda galaxy appears to be orbiting the center of that galaxy at the speed of about 200km/s. The star is about g*10^9AU from the center of the galaxy. Calculate a rough estimate of the mass of the Andromeda galaxy. Earth orbital radius is 1.40*10^8

Homework Equations



Fg=gm1m2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



1 a.u. = 1.40*10^8 km = 1.40*10^11 m

For the mass of the entire galaxy, M, you will have to assume a spherical distribution of mass, with the star in question at the outside, at distance R. ( what does that mean by assume spherical)

In that case, the centripetal acceleration of the star is
V^2/R = G M/R2

Solve for M.

M = R V^2/G

I got this solution from a web page however I'm trying to understand how it works.

Isn't fg=Gm1m2/r^2

And then that will be equal to centripetal force
Why in the above solution did they omit the one of the mass??
 
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Coco12 said:
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known

A star at the edge of the Andromeda galaxy appears to be orbiting the center of that galaxy at the speed of about 200km/s. The star is about g*10^9AU from the center of the galaxy. Calculate a rough estimate of the mass of the Andromeda galaxy. Earth orbital radius is 1.40*10^8

Homework Equations



Fg=gm1m2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



1 a.u. = 1.40*10^8 km = 1.40*10^11 m

For the mass of the entire galaxy, M, you will have to assume a spherical distribution of mass, with the star in question at the outside, at distance R. ( what does that mean by assume spherical)

In that case, the centripetal acceleration of the star is
V^2/R = G M/R2


That formula derives from equating centripetal and gravitational forces on m:
GmM/R^2 = mv^2/R.
m is divided out.

Don't write V for velocity. Use v.
V is for Volts.
 
So I did M=2000m/s^2* 7.45*10^20m/ 6.67*10^-11

And I still didn't get the right ans which is 4*10^41kg

Note: the 7.45*10^20 was obtained by taking the 5*10^9 AU multiplying it by 1.49*10^8km and then by 1000 to convert it to m
 
200 km/s is not 2000 m/s!

I don't know what "g x 10^9 AU" is. What is the "g" in that expression for R?
 
rude man said:
200 km/s is not 2000 m/s!

I don't know what "g x 10^9 AU" is. What is the "g" in that expression for R?

I know my mistake now. I converted it wrong . The g is supposed to be a 5
 
This person wrote the question wrong. There is no g, it's "The star is about 5 x 10^9 AU from the centre..." The answer is 4.47 x 10^41 kg :)

- convert the velocity to m/s
-use the formula m=(v^2*r)/G
-multiply the star's radius with the Earth's orbital radius then convert to m

then plug everything in and you're good to goooo!
 

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