What is the maximum speed of this car?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving centripetal force and the maximum speed of a car rounding a turn. The original poster presents a scenario with a specific mass, radius, and coefficient of friction, questioning the independence of the result from the car's mass.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal force and acceleration, questioning the forces acting on the car and their directions. There is an attempt to clarify the role of different forces, including normal force and friction, in providing centripetal acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, seeking to clarify concepts and relationships between forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the identification of forces and their roles, but there remains a lack of consensus on certain aspects, particularly regarding the application of equations and the interpretation of forces.

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The discussion includes confusion regarding the distinction between forces and acceleration, and the participants are navigating through the implications of using variables versus numerical values in their equations.

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Centripetal Force Question

Homework Statement


The question, straight from the book:
What is the maximum speed with which a 1050-kg car can round a turn of radius 70 m on a flat road if the coefficient of friction between tires and the road is 0.80? Is this result independent of the mass of the car?

What I know:
Mass(m): 1050-kg
Radius(r): 70 m
Coefficient of friction: 0.80

Homework Equations



[tex]a_c[/tex] = v^2/r
[tex]F_c[/tex] = mv^2/r
[tex]F_n[/tex] = mg
[tex]F_f[/tex] = MF_n

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I drew out the free-body diagram,with a circle and a box, which is supposed to be the car. I put [tex]a_c[/tex] on an arrow pointing to the middle, and V tangent to where the box is. I found out the normal force,

[tex]F_n = mg[/tex]
[tex]F_n = (1050)(9.8)[/tex]
[tex]F_n =10290[/tex]

And after that, I have no idea what to do to find the velocity...
 
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What force provides the centripetal acceleration?

What results do you get if you assign the letter 'm' to the mass of the car instead of using a numerical value for the mass?
 
PhanthomJay said:
What force provides the centripetal acceleration?

What results do you get if you assign the letter 'm' to the mass of the car instead of using a numerical value for the mass?

I'm not sure what you mean by the first question, but with what I think you're saying, centripetal force provides for centripetal acceleration. What I think is probably wrong, though.

For the second question, I'm not sure, but what equation do you want me to apply the method to?
 
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Draw a free body diagram of the forces acting on the car. There are 3 of them. Which force acts in the direction of the centripetal acceleration a_c? That force is called the centripetal (center-seeking) force. Then apply Newton 2 in that direction. You already have listed all the correct equations.
 
So the three forces are a_c, to the center of the circle, the one that goes tangent to the circle, and perpendicular to a_c, and normal force?

As to the second part of your post... I still don't fully understand...
 
RustyComputer said:
So the three forces are a_c, to the center of the circle, the one that goes tangent to the circle, and perpendicular to a_c, and normal force?

As to the second part of your post... I still don't fully understand...
[tex]a_c[/tex] is not a force, it is an acceleration. Force and acceleration are related by Newton's 2nd law. Basically, in the study of the Introductory mechanics branch of Physics, gravity (weight) is one of the forces always acting. It is a non-contact force. All other forces are contact forces, like the Normal force, which acts perpendicular to the object, and the friction force, which acts opposite to the direction of relative or pending motion between the surfaces. Now which of these forces, weight, the normal force, or the friction force, acts in the centripetal direction toward the center? Don't confuse the problem by looking at forces in the tangential direction into the plane of the page. Keep it in 2 dimensions, vertical and horizontal.
 

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