What is the meaning of Dot Product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the meaning and properties of the dot product in mathematics and physics. Participants explore its physical significance, mathematical properties, and applications, while also expressing confusion about certain concepts related to vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the physical meaning of the dot product and its interesting qualities.
  • It is noted that the dot product has properties such as commutativity, distributivity, and associativity with scalar multiplication, which some find intriguing.
  • Geometrically, the dot product is related to lengths and angles, and is used to define these notions in various contexts.
  • There is confusion expressed about the separation of vectors into components, with some participants questioning the rationale behind this mathematical operation.
  • One participant mentions that the dot product can be expressed as a.b = |a||b|cosQ, where Q is the angle between the vectors, and discusses the implications of orthogonality.
  • Applications of the dot product are highlighted, including its use in calculating work, determining angles between vectors, and measuring the 'Right-Angularity' of two vectors.
  • Another participant brings up the relationship between the dot product and projections, emphasizing its utility in these calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the dot product, with some agreeing on its mathematical properties and applications, while others remain uncertain about its physical meaning and the separation of vectors. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their understanding of the mathematical laws governing the dot product and its applications, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

Shing
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I just reviewed Dot Product,
but I don't know what it actually, exactly means.
would you tell me about its physical meaning or something interesting quality of it?

Thanks
 
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Look it up in terms of projection of a vector on another...
 
Shing said:
I just reviewed Dot Product,
but I don't know what it actually, exactly means.
would you tell me about its physical meaning or something interesting quality of it?

Thanks
Well, a dot product can only possibly have a physical meaning when you're using it on vectors to which you've ascribed a physical meaning.

The dot product satisfies the commutative law, the distributive law, and it also satisfies an associative law with scalar multiplication -- those are very interesting qualities! And because the dot product is scalar valued, it allows you to reduce questions about vectors to questions about scalars! Because of these nice properties, the dot product is very convenient algebraic operation.

Geometrically, dot products are intimately related to lengths and angles. In fact, in many circumstances, dot products are used to define the notions of length and angle.
 
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quasar987 said:
Yes, I did.
I just wonder what mathematician create Dot Product for.
I know the meaning of it as how book told me.
But I think my knowing is not enough.

Thank you
 
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Like for example I always can't comprehend when they can separate a vector into two vectors. Or it just a definition? If so, why the mathematicians defined it?
 
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Shing said:
Like for example I always can't comprehend when they can separate a vector into two vectors.
You can always write a number as a sum of two numbers, right? What's so hard about the same for vectors?
 
Hurkyl said:
You can always write a number as a sum of two numbers, right? What's so hard about the same for vectors?
I am sorry, I mean a vector can be separated into two vectors of different direction.
 
Shing said:
I am sorry, I mean a vector can be separated into two vectors of different direction.

Let v be a vector you want to write this way. Let w be a vector pointing in a different direction. Let x=v-w. Then, we can write v=x+w.

Exercise: prove x and w point in different directions. (Hint: one way is to relate the notion of "different direction" to dot products)
 
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Hurkyl said:
Well, a dot product can only possibly have a physical meaning when you're using it on vectors to which you've ascribed a physical meaning.

The dot product satisfies the commutative law, the distributive law, and it also satisfies an associative law with scalar multiplication -- those are very interesting qualities! And because the dot product is scalar valued, it allows you to reduce questions about vectors to questions about scalars! Because of these nice properties, the dot product is very convenient algebraic operation.

Geometrically, dot products are intimately related to lengths and angles. In fact, in many circumstances, dot products are used to define the notions of length and angle.
I believe that is exhilarating.
But I am still in high school, not understanding why something satisfies the commutative law, the distributive law... and the other things don't.
 
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Hurkyl said:
Let v be a vector you want to write this way. Let w be a vector pointing in a different direction. Let x=v-w. Then, we can write v=x+w.

Exercise: prove x and w point in different directions. (Hint: one way is to relate the notion of "different direction" to dot products)

May I know why we can use Binary operation on vector? Thanks!
 
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dot product is a.b = |a||b|cosQ where Q is the angle

Also if two vectors are considered orthogonal if their dot product is zero (a.b=0)

vector product is a*b = |a||b|sinQn where n is a unit vector perpendicular to the plane containing a and b.

while in a cross product if two non-zero vectors a and b are parallel it is a × b = 0.
 
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Well here are the following uses:

1. Calculating Work (Cross Product for Torque), W=f.d - force and distance are given as vectors. Notice how, the dot product eliminates all components of the force vector that arn't in the same direction as the distance vector...

2. As David said, it can be used to work out the angle between 2 vectors.

3. As I used to tell people: The Dot Product measures the 'Right-Angularity' of 2 vectors.

4. Dot Products; since they take the components only in the same direction, they can be useful when doing projections.
 

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