What is the meaning of gradient WRT a fixed point?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the gradient of a function, specifically potential energy, with respect to the position of a particle in a multi-particle system. The focus is on understanding the notation and implications of calculating gradients in this context.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the notation \nabla_{1} and its meaning in relation to a fixed point, specifically regarding the gradient of potential energy with respect to the position of particle 1.
  • Another participant clarifies that the gradient is not with respect to a fixed point, but rather involves treating the positions of other particles (particle 2) as constants while calculating the gradient with respect to particle 1's position.
  • A later reply confirms that calculating the gradient with respect to particle 1 means considering the coordinates of particle 2 as constants, thus simplifying the gradient calculation to a standard form.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation that the gradient is calculated as a standard gradient with respect to particle 1, treating the other particle's coordinates as constants. However, the initial confusion regarding the notation indicates a lack of consensus on the terminology used.

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The discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding in the notation and terminology related to gradients in multi-variable functions, particularly in the context of classical mechanics.

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My textbook (Taylor, Classical Mechanics) and professor introduced the concept of \nabla_{1}

to mean "the gradient of the function (potential energy) with respect to the position (x_{1},y_{1},z_{1}) of particle 1.

I do not understand this. I am familiar with partial derivatives and gradients with respect to general x,y,and z, but not with respect to a fixed point. I could not find anything from my calculus book to help.
 
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It's not gradient with respect to a fixed point. It's just that the potential energy is a function of both the position of particle 1 and the position of particle 2, so you could write V(x1,y1,z1,x2,y2,z2). When he says gradient with respect to the position of particle 1, he means we should calculate partial derivatives with respect to x1, y1, and z1, not x2, y2, and z2.
 
Ok so it would be just a regular gradient, but WRT particle 1 means I treat x2,y2,z2 as constants. Thanks
 
teroenza said:
Ok so it would be just a regular gradient, but WRT particle 1 means I treat x2,y2,z2 as constants. Thanks
Yes, exactly.
 

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