What Is the Minimum Deceleration to Prevent Two Trains from Colliding?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two trains traveling towards each other on the same track, with the goal of determining the minimum deceleration required to prevent a collision when they apply brakes from a distance of 10,000 feet apart.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up the problem using kinematic equations and expresses confusion about the dependence of acceleration on time. Some participants suggest using alternative kinematic equations and concepts of relative velocity. Others question the assumptions made in the setup, particularly regarding the conditions for preventing a collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance without reaching a consensus. Some have pointed out overlooked constraints and additional equations that may be relevant to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the assumption that both trains have the same deceleration, which may affect their stopping distances and times. The original poster acknowledges missing crucial information in their initial attempts.

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Homework Statement



Two trains, one traveling 60.0mph east and the other traveling 90.0mph west, are on the same track. When they are 10000 ft apart both train's brakes are applied. If they both have the same deceleration, what is the minimum deceleration to prevent a collision?

Homework Equations



x = xo + vot + 0.5at2

The Attempt at a Solution


I converted velocities to ft/s, 60mph = 88ft/s , 90mph = 132ft/s

I chose the location of the eastbound train to be the origin of the x-axis, then wrote out the positions of both trains as:
x1 = 88t - 0.5at2
x2 = 10000 - 132t + 0.5at2

I supposed that the minimum acceleration to prevent a collision implies that x1 approaches x2. So
x1 = x2
88t - 0.5at2 = 10000 - 132t + 0.5at2

Solving for a gives:
a = (88+132)/t - 10000/t2

I am currently stuck here, and really puzzled as to why a is dependent on t. Acceleration must be a constant, so I think I must have some error somewhere that I cannot find. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Use the another equation of kinematics of motion without time.

And Use the relative velocity concept. Here two trains going in opposite direction. What is the velocity of first train relative to second.?
 
showzen said:
I am currently stuck here, and really puzzled as to why a is dependent on t.

a is dependent on t simply because that's how you chose to set up the problem. That is, you chose to use time as an intermidiate step ("the middle man")

You have one more constraint (equation) that you're overlooking.

You've set x_1=x_2 because you want to find the minimum
(and the minimum is where they just barely don't crash, meaning, x_1\approx x_2)

But x_1=x_2 is true even if they do crash, isn't it? So what else must be true?
 
Hint: If they have the same deceleration, they will not stop at the same time.
 
Okay, I think that I have got the solution.

Using x = xo + (v2 - vo2) / (2a) :

x1 = -(88)2 / (-2a)
x2 = 10000 - (132)2 / (2a)

x1 ≈ x2

I was then able to solve for a and obtain a = 1.26 FT/s2.

I see now that I failed to notice some crucial bits of information during my first attempts at this problem.

Thanks everyone for the help!
 

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