Minimum deceleration to prevent a collision

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The problem involves two cars, where car 1 is moving with a constant velocity and begins to decelerate, while car 2, initially behind car 1, also begins to decelerate upon seeing car 1 brake. The goal is to determine the minimum deceleration required for car 1 to prevent a collision with car 2, given their initial velocities and the distance between them.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both cars and question the assumptions regarding their deceleration and relative motion.
  • Some participants explore the implications of the cars having the same deceleration and how this affects their relative velocities and distances over time.
  • Questions arise about the applicability of the equations used and the conditions under which they hold true.
  • There is a consideration of the critical condition for avoiding a collision, with discussions on how to express deceleration in terms of the given variables.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the variables involved, while others are questioning the logic and assumptions made in the problem setup. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants note potential issues with the problem's formulation, particularly regarding the instantaneous change in acceleration and the implications for collision avoidance. There are also discussions about the time taken for each car to decelerate and how that affects the analysis.

  • #31
PKM said:
By the way, we see that if ##d## is lesser than a certain value the back car will hit the front one. We still don't know if the front car is in motion on not when the back car hits it. Can you figure out the condition that the back car collides the front one, when front car is still moving?
That goes back to post #1.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
That goes back to post #1.
Why?
I actually meant to find the condition that the collision occurs before car 1 comes to rest. That wasn't asked in the question. The collision may occur when car 1 has already stopped, or still running. I asked about finding out a constraint to ensure which one occurs. Does it make sense now?
 
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  • #33
PKM said:
Why?
Because the approach there assumed the two SUVAT equations quoted applied up to the point of collision. That was not valid for the original question but is true for the question you pose.
 
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  • #34
PKM said:
By the way, we see that if ##d## is lesser than a certain value the back car will hit the front one. We still don't know if the front car is in motion on not when the back car hits it. Can you figure out the condition that the back car collides the front one, when front car is still moving?
The time it takes for the front car to stop is ##t_{1}=\frac{v_{1}}{2d}##. Assuming that both cars are decelerating the collision time is ##t_{collision}=\frac{L}{v_{2}-v_{1}}##. This time is smaller or equal to ##t_{1}## if ##d< \frac{v_{1}}{v_{1}+v_{2}}d_{critical}## where ##d_{critical}=\frac{v_{2}^{2}-v_{1}^{2}}{2L}##.
This is the range of ##d## for which the back car will hit the front car while the front car is still moving. This means that for ##\frac{v_{1}}{v_{1}+v_{2}}d_{critical}\leq d<d_{critical}## the back car will collide with a stopped front car.
 
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