What is the minimum image-object distance in a single lens system?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the minimum image-object distance in a single lens system, specifically focusing on the relationship between object distance, image distance, and focal length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the minimum distance by referencing the lens formula and drawing ray diagrams. Some participants suggest considering the implications of magnification and the conditions under which real images are formed. Others inquire about using differentiation to find minimum values related to the distances.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, including the necessary conditions for real image formation and the mathematical relationships involved. There is a suggestion to derive an equation based on the total length of the system, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions are being discussed, such as the symmetry of the system and the requirement that the object distance must exceed the focal length to create a real image.

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Homework Statement


For a system with a single lens, what is the smallest image to object distance that you can achieve?

Homework Equations


I guess (1/f)=(1/i)+(1/o)


The Attempt at a Solution


Tried drawing a few ray diagrams but didn't seem to get anywhere :S
 
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Here's a clue:

"...a simple microscope, which consists of a single convex lens. Magnification is given by the ratio of the image distance, the distance between the lens and the image, and the object distance, the distance between the lens and the specimen. As the object distance decreases, the size of the magnified image increases proportionally. When the object distance reaches the focal plane of the lens, however, the rays exiting the lens emerge parallel, and no real image is created. In order to create a real image, the object distance must be greater than the focal length of the lens. A shorter focal length allows for a shorter distance between the object and the lens, and enables greater magnification."

http://laser.physics.sunysb.edu/~scott/liquid-lens/
 


Hm thanks. I guess that tells me it has to be greater than f, so the distance must be greater than 2f...
Is there any way to do it by differentiation? Cos that's how minimum values are usually found, right? I would try differentiating (1/f)=(1/i)+(1/o) but I don't know what I'm differentiating with respect to :S
 


You would write an equation for the total length ie, s=o+i in terms of 'o' or 'i' and f
I think you have to make the assumption that the system is symetric and so i=o.
 

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