What is the most beautiful definition you've encountered?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "beautiful definitions" in mathematics and physics, exploring various definitions that participants find aesthetically pleasing or significant. The scope includes theoretical definitions, mathematical constructs, and philosophical reflections on the nature of definitions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the definition of a free basis in group theory is beautiful.
  • One participant appreciates the formula for the perpendicular distance from a point to a line in coordinate geometry.
  • Several participants discuss the definition of the number e, particularly its property that d/dx (e^x) = e^x, and the implications of this definition.
  • There is a debate about whether certain expressions, such as e = lim (1+1/n)^n, qualify as definitions.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the concept of a "beautiful" definition, questioning how a definition can possess beauty compared to proofs or theorems.
  • Participants mention Gauss' definition of congruence classes mod m as a beautiful definition.
  • Euler's identity, e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0, is cited as beautiful, though its status as a definition is questioned.
  • One participant reflects on the nature of definitions, suggesting they express the intuition of mathematicians and serve as a starting point for deduction.
  • Another participant mentions the definition of a set as a collection of distinct objects, highlighting its appeal.
  • There are discussions about the definition of a point in relation to physics and its historical context from Euclid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on what constitutes a beautiful definition, with no consensus on specific definitions or the criteria for beauty. Some definitions are appreciated while others are contested, indicating a diversity of views.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that definitions may not uniquely define certain concepts, such as e^x, and that the beauty of a definition may depend on its implications and the context in which it is used.

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What's the most beautiful definition you've ever seen? For me, it has to be the definition of a free basis in group theory.
 
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Perpendicular distance from a point to a line in coordinate geometry :wink:

I was the only one in my class to appreciate the formula though.
 
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:

e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x

I mean so much can be drawn from this...
 
prasannaworld said:
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:

e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x

I mean so much can be drawn from this...

Is that a definition?
 
tgt said:
Is that a definition?

YES IT IS!

Give me one "Definition" that boils to this one...


Using this definition one can derive the Maclaurin Series for e...

Using this definition one can use l'Hopital's Rule to derive:
e = lim (1+1/n)^n
x->inf

And by defining ln(x) to be the inverse function of e^x (i.e. Logarithm base e), one can go further and get Integral of ln(x) is 1/x - which some claim to be the first definition...
 
prasannaworld said:
Give me one "Definition" that boils to this one...
you could also define e to be e = lim (1+1/n)^n, x->inf and then derive the other results, which I think is a more common definition.

Ontopic: I don't get how a definition can be beautiful? Sure, a proof or a theorem can be elegant, but what is a "beautiful" definition? :o
 
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:

e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x

I mean so much can be drawn from this...
The number 0 also satisfies the condition above, so e is not unique in that case. (well if you consider x\neq 0.)
 
fluidistic said:
The number 0 also satisfies the condition above, so e is not unique in that case. (well if you consider x\neq 0.)

True... I still view that as the standard definition. To make it better how about: xER; obviously 0 can no longer work.

Also on topic: I believe a "beautiful" definition in simple refers to one that is simple but a lot can be done with it/derived from it...
 
It still doesn't define e^x uniquely, because any c.e^x with c in R is good too.
You can define f(x) = e^x as the function satisfying f(x)' = f(x) and f(0) = 1.
 
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I think the most beautiful definition for me (simple though it is!) would be Gauss' definition of congruence classes mod m.

TD said:
It still doesn't define e^x uniquely, because any c.e^x with c in R is good too.
You can define f(x) = e^x as the function satisfying f(x)' = f(x) and f(0) = 1.

I think the intent was to define e, not e^x. e is the unique positive solution of a^x = d/dx a^x.
 
  • #11
Oh of course, I misread!
 
  • #12
Beautiful is the way that you write down the definition in SYMBOLS and not the definition itself
 
  • #13
\vec{L}=\vec{r}\times \vec{p} definition of angular momentum.
 
  • #14
Kurret said:
but what is a "beautiful" definition? :o

Just like a beautiful proof. When it has a lot in it (i.e get something out of it every time you think about it) and gets to your heart.
 
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tgt said:
Just like a beautiful proof. When it has a lot in it (i.e get something out of it every time you think about it) and gets to your heart.
I think a beautiful proof is totally different. Imo a beautiful proof is one that has some elegant and creative "trick" in it, that usually makes the proof short without a lot of messy computation, and usually makes you think "how did he think of that?"...

Altough, when thinking about it, the construction of the real numbers with dedekind cuts is imo very cool and elegant, so that would maybe qualify as a beautiful definition for me..
 
  • #16
Kurret said:
I think a beautiful proof is totally different. Imo a beautiful proof is one that has some elegant and creative "trick" in it, that usually makes the proof short without a lot of messy computation, and usually makes you think "how did he think of that?"...

To me a beautiful proof shows that two a priori unrelated things can be used together to show something interesting. A proof that comes out of nowhere (but gives no insight on why the unusual step is chosen) is less beautiful than one that is straightforward, to me at least.
 
  • #17
I appreciate most definitions because they are what expresses the true intuition of the mathematician, like the spark of motivation that starts the tedious process of deduction. (S)he starts with what seems sensible and can't be unarguably justified. We sure could invent a lot of mathematics which has absolutely no interpretation, but the only mathematics that survives is the one that makes sense. I'm aware of the fact that most of mathematics is very far from reality, but it still makes sense to somebody, even if it's in a "fantasy" of the minds of a small group of mathematicians.
 
  • #18
A good and beautiful proof is a constructive one, though general, which gives insight and suggests a direction of attack to any problem related to it. The "trick" is usually the discovery of this method of attack.
 
  • #19
Here you go:

By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception or of our thought.
 
  • #20
I like Euler's identity:

e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0

allthough I am not sure if it strictly qualifies as a definition, the implicit relationship between the important mathematical constants e, pi and i is beautiful to me anyway.

Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity


Euler's identity also implies:

i = \frac{\ln(-1)}{\pi}

and

\pi = \frac{\ln(-1)}{i}

but there may be restrictions on the above "definitions".
 
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kev said:
I like Euler's identity:

e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0

allthough I am not sure if it strictly qualifies as a definition, the implicit relationship between the important mathematical constants e, pi and i is beautiful to me anyway.

Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity


Euler's identity also implies:

i = \frac{\ln(-1)}{\pi}

and

\pi = \frac{\ln(-1)}{i}

but there may be restrictions on the above "definitions".

and

e = (-1)^{(\frac{1}{i \pi})}

?
 
  • #22
Diffy said:
Here you go:

By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception or of our thought.

This is cool sounding. :smile: Have you seen this definition in any particular book?

And CRGreathouse, what is this definition of congruence class mod m you are referring to?
 
  • #23
At the beginning of his Beiträge zur Begründung der transfiniten Mengenlehre, Georg Cantor, the principal creator of set theory, gave the following definition of a set:[5]
By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception [Anschauung] or of our thought.
 
  • #24
quasar987 said:
And CRGreathouse, what is this definition of congruence class mod m you are referring to?

Just the ordinary one -- {mk + n, k in Z}. It's essentially the first step toward p-adics.
 
  • #25
The definition of a topological space.
 
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I know this is actually meaningless for mathematicians, but I like it because it shows the connection between mathematics and physics: "A point is that which has no part."
 
  • #27
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.
 
  • #28
HallsofIvy said:
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.

Point particles have no parts, no? Although electrons have spin. How can something that have no parts have spin?
 
  • #29
HallsofIvy said:
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.

My understanding is that "has no part" is not formally used to deduce geometrical statements. But if I want to draw a picture representing the geometry, then I use the idea that a point "has no parts". Drawing a triangle or a circle on a flat piece of paper is the physical representation of the geometry.
 
  • #30
Hey, I just stumbled upon this on the wiki page about relations:

"When two objects, qualities, classes, or attributes, viewed together by the mind, are seen under some connexion, that connexion is called a relation." (Augustus De Morgan[1])
 

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