What Is the Net Entropy Change in a Two-Step Gas Process?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a monatomic gas undergoing two processes: an isothermal expansion followed by an adiabatic contraction. Participants are tasked with determining the net change in entropy for the gas, given that the final pressure and volume are twice the initial values.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the entropy change for the isothermal process and express uncertainty regarding the entropy change during the adiabatic process, questioning whether it is indeed zero. There are attempts to apply relevant equations and conditions for both processes, with some confusion about the final temperature and volume relationships.

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There is active engagement with the problem, with participants exploring different aspects of the processes involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of entropy change in adiabatic processes, but there is no explicit consensus on the final interpretation of the results or the calculations presented.

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Participants are working under the constraints of typical homework guidelines, which may limit the information available or the methods that can be employed. The discussion reflects a mix of correct and incorrect assumptions regarding the relationships between temperature, volume, and pressure in the context of the processes described.

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Homework Statement



One mole of a monatomic gas first expands isothermally, then contracts adiabatically. The final pressure and volume of the gas are twice its initial pressure and volume. (Pf=2Pi and Vf=2Vi)

Find the net change in the entropy of the gas.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I found the entropy change for the first step. Let the volume between the two steps be Vm.

TVγ-1 = constant, so Vm = 22.5 Vi

ΔS = nR ln(Vm/Vi) = 1.73 nR

But I have no idea about the entropy change of the second step. What is the entropy change for an adiabatic process? Isn't dQ=0 ?
 
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Faux Carnival said:

Homework Statement



One mole of a monatomic gas first expands isothermally, then contracts adiabatically. The final pressure and volume of the gas are twice its initial pressure and volume. (Pf=2Pi and Vf=2Vi)

Find the net change in the entropy of the gas.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I found the entropy change for the first step. Let the volume between the two steps be Vm.

TVγ-1 = constant, so Vm = 22.5 Vi

ΔS = nR ln(Vm/Vi) = 1.73 nR

But I have no idea about the entropy change of the second step. What is the entropy change for an adiabatic process? Isn't dQ=0 ?
There is no entropy change in a reversible adiabatic process, so you just have to determine the change in entropy of the isothermal process. You appear to have tried doing this by applying the adiabatic condition (after finding the final temperature) to get the volume at the end of the isothermal process, but I can't figure out how you get your answer. If you apply the adiabatic condition:

[tex]\left(\frac{V_m}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma-1} = \frac{T_f}{T_m} = 4[/tex]

AM
 
STEP 1 (ISOTHERMAL)

Pi Vi Ti ---> Punknown Vm Ti

STEP 2 (ADIABATIC)

Punknown Vm Ti ---> 2Pi 2Vi 2Ti

So, for the adiabatic process I applied TVγ-1 = constant.

Ti Vm2/3 = 2Ti (2Vi)2/3

Isn't this correct?

Another thing, is the change in entropy ΔS zero for adiabatic processes?
 
Faux Carnival said:
STEP 1 (ISOTHERMAL)

Pi Vi Ti ---> Punknown Vm Ti

STEP 2 (ADIABATIC)

Punknown Vm Ti ---> 2Pi 2Vi 2Ti

So, for the adiabatic process I applied TVγ-1 = constant.

Ti Vm2/3 = 2Ti (2Vi)2/3

Isn't this correct?
It is not correct. What is the final temperature? (hint: apply the ideal gas law). The final temperature is not twice the initial temperature.



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Another thing, is the change in entropy ΔS zero for adiabatic processes?
Yes. See my previous post.

AM
 

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