What is the net force on the rectangular loop due to the straight wire?

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The problem involves a rectangular loop of wire carrying a current and its interaction with a long straight wire carrying a different current. The objective is to determine the net force acting on the loop due to the straight wire.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the loop, noting the need to consider both attractive and repulsive forces between the currents. There is an exploration of the correct distances to use in the force calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, including corrections to the distances used in the force equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to find the net force, with multiple interpretations of the problem being considered.

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A rectangular loop of wire, L = 23.6 cm and W = 11.6 cm, carries a I1 = 1.70 A current and lies in a plane (d = 12.8 cm), which also contains a very long straight wire carrying a I2 = 12.2 A current as shown in the figure below. (Follow the link)

http://capaserv.physics.mun.ca/giancoli-calc/Graphics/Graph28/dgian2850.gif

Calculate the net force on the loop due to the straight wire.



First off, I realize that there is only a force on the two wires that are parallel to each other.

I tried using F1 = u0*I(1)*I(2) / 2Pi*d

and F2 = u0*I(1)*I(2) / 2Pi*2d

Then adding them together to get the net force. I only have 2 tries left before I can no longer answer the equation, so I need a big kick in the right direction.



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1.For F2 the distance is not 2d it is d+w
2.F1 is an attractive force and F2 a repulsive force so you need to subtract not add.

(like currents attract...unlike currents repel)
 
Thank you very much good sir
 
I still did not get the right answer.. This is what I did

F1 = u0*I(1)*I(2) / 2Pi*d , which came out to be 3.24x10^-5N
and
F2 = -u0*I(1)*I(2) / 2Pi*(d+w) , which came out to be -1.7x10^-5N

then I subtracted them to get 1.54x10^-5N, which is wrong

Anyone have some other hints? I only have one try left..
 
Haven't checked your numbers but did they want you to give the direction of the force ie towards the wire?
 
Hard to say, I posted the whole question, it just says find the net force. If they just want magnitude I think adding them would be correct?
 
Hello dangish,it looks like you calculated the force per unit length(per metre)on each of the parallel sides but the wires are not one metre long they are 0.236 metres long.
 

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