What Is the New Volume When RMS Velocity Doubles?

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The discussion revolves around a gas law problem involving a fixed mass of gas at constant pressure, where the root mean squared velocity of the gas molecules is doubled due to a rise in temperature. Participants are trying to determine the new volume of the gas based on this change in velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants present equations relating the initial and final volumes of the gas, questioning the relationship between temperature and root mean squared velocity. Some participants express confusion over the book's answer, suggesting that the volume should increase rather than decrease.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the problem, with some participants agreeing on the reasoning that the volume should increase by a factor of four, while others seek clarification on the equations used and the relationship between temperature and kinetic energy. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answer as participants explore different aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption of constant pressure and are referencing the ideal gas law. There is a noted discrepancy between their calculations and the answer provided in the textbook, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the problem.

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Sir,
Please help me with this problem.
# A fixed mass of gas at constant pressure occupies a volume V. The gas undergoes a rise in temperature so that the root mean squared velocity(c) of the molecule is doubled. What is the new volume?
I solved it in the following way:-
Let V1 be the initial volume & V2 be the final volume. Assuming the pressure to be constant,
c = (3PV1/M)^1/2 --------- (1)
2c = (3PV2/M)^1/2 --------- (2)
Dividing equation (1) by (2) we get,
½ = (V1/V2)^1/2
Squaring on both sides we get,
¼ = (V1/V2)
V2 = 4V1
But the answer given in my book is V2 = V1/[(2)^1/2] read as V1 divided by root 2.Here the symbol ^ represents power.
 
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Your answer seems OK to me. Since rms speed is proportional to the square root of the temperature, the temperature (and volume) must increase by a factor of four.

The book's answer makes no sense, since it implies that the volume decreases.
 
Amith2006 said:
Sir,
Please help me with this problem.
# A fixed mass of gas at constant pressure occupies a volume V. The gas undergoes a rise in temperature so that the root mean squared velocity(c) of the molecule is doubled. What is the new volume?
I solved it in the following way:-
Let V1 be the initial volume & V2 be the final volume. Assuming the pressure to be constant,
c = (3PV1/M)^1/2 --------- (1)
2c = (3PV2/M)^1/2 --------- (2)
Dividing equation (1) by (2) we get,
½ = (V1/V2)^1/2
Squaring on both sides we get,
¼ = (V1/V2)
V2 = 4V1
But the answer given in my book is V2 = V1/[(2)^1/2] read as V1 divided by root 2.Here the symbol ^ represents power.
Where did you get your equations (1) and (2)?

How is temperature related to the vrms of the gas? Temperature is a measure of the internal (kinetic) energy of the gas molecules. So how is the kinetic energy of the molecules related to speed?

If vrms of the gas doubles, what is the increase in temperature (internal kinetic energy)?

Use PV=nRT with P constant to determine how Volume changes with temperature.

AM
 
Amith2006 said:
Sir,
Please help me with this problem.
# A fixed mass of gas at constant pressure occupies a volume V. The gas undergoes a rise in temperature so that the root mean squared velocity(c) of the molecule is doubled. What is the new volume?
I solved it in the following way:-
Let V1 be the initial volume & V2 be the final volume. Assuming the pressure to be constant,
c = (3PV1/M)^1/2 --------- (1)
2c = (3PV2/M)^1/2 --------- (2)
Dividing equation (1) by (2) we get,
½ = (V1/V2)^1/2
Squaring on both sides we get,
¼ = (V1/V2)
V2 = 4V1
But the answer given in my book is V2 = V1/[(2)^1/2] read as V1 divided by root 2.Here the symbol ^ represents power.

Thank you Sir for your help.
 

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