What is the normal force on the driver?

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The problem involves a car driven at constant speed over a circular hill and into a circular valley, focusing on the normal force experienced by the driver at the bottom of the valley. The driver's mass is given, and the scenario requires understanding the forces acting on the driver in both locations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational force and normal force, particularly questioning the implications of a normal force of zero at the top of the hill. There is exploration of centripetal acceleration and its direction at different points in the circular path.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about centripetal acceleration and the forces involved. Some have offered insights into the relationships between forces at different points, but there is no consensus on the final answer, and confusion remains regarding the calculations.

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There is a mention of the driver's mass and gravitational force, but the specific speed of the car and radius of the circular path are not provided. Participants are navigating through the implications of these missing details while discussing the problem.

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Homework Statement


A car is driven at constant speed over a circular hill and then into a circular valley with the same radius. At the top of the hill the normal force on the driver from the car seat is 0. The driver's mass is 70.0 kg. What is the magnitude of the normal force on the driver from the seat when the car passes through the bottom of the valley??


Homework Equations


Fg - Fn = 0 ?
F = mv^2/r


The Attempt at a Solution


Stumped. I looked at this question and was like... wtf?

Only thing I can think of is Fg - Fn cannot equal zero because there is always Fg and if Fn is 0, then that equation doesn't make sense. But I don't know any better than this equation. I'm so confused! =S
 
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At the top of the hill if his normal force is 0, then what must his centripetal acceleration be?
 
LowlyPion said:
At the top of the hill if his normal force is 0, then what must his centripetal acceleration be?

Fg = 9.8 * 70 = 686
 
How is the direction of the centripetal acceleration different at the top as opposed to the valley?
 
LowlyPion said:
How is the direction of the centripetal acceleration different at the top as opposed to the valley?

At the top, it is directed downwards toward the centre, at the bottom is directed up toward the centre...
 
Shatzkinator said:
At the top, it is directed downwards toward the centre, at the bottom is directed up toward the centre...

... and you still can't answer the original question?
 
Fn = Fg .. which would be al;so 686 at the bottom of the hill.

The answer should be 1.37 x 10^3 N

=P

No I still can't answer the original question.

Edit: and yes I see the answer is 2* 686... I have no idea why.
 
In the first case Fn = 0 = mg - mv2/r

That means that mv2/r = mg.

In the valley

Fn = mg + mv2/r

But you just figured out that mg = mv2/r so

Fn = 2*mg
 

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