What Is the Origin of Unruh Temperature and Its Implications?

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The discussion centers on the origin of Unruh temperature and its implications, particularly in the context of uniformly accelerating observers and black holes. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and conceptual challenges related to the Unruh effect and its relationship to quantum field theory (QFT).

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  • Some participants assert that a uniformly accelerating observer registers a temperature, suggesting a formula of T = 1/2π, while others challenge the accuracy of this representation.
  • There is a discussion about the dimensionless nature of the temperature and its dependence on acceleration, with some arguing that the correct expression should include units of acceleration.
  • One participant introduces the concept of Rindler particles and suggests that the Unruh effect arises from the vacuum containing no inertial particles, but rather a thermal bath of Rindler particles.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between Unruh radiation and black holes, with one stating that observing a black hole through its Unruh radiation is a complex topic.
  • Questions are raised about the implications of string theory on Unruh temperature and its connection to black hole entropy and microstates.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical formulation of the Rindler Hamiltonian and its relevance to the temperature registered by a thermometer in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of Unruh temperature, its mathematical representation, and its implications. There is no consensus on the correct formulation or interpretation of the concepts discussed.

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Some statements made by participants rely on specific assumptions about quantum field theory and the nature of particles in accelerating frames. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the Unruh effect.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum field theory, general relativity, and the implications of acceleration on thermal phenomena, as well as researchers exploring the connections between black holes and quantum mechanics.

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A uniformly accelerating observer registers a temperature

T = 1/2π

Or an observer hovering near a black hole. According to current understanding, what are the best ideas about the origin of this temperature?
 
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PrashantGokaraju said:
According to current understanding, what are the best ideas about the origin of this temperature?

Mine is that you miswrote something. The title doesn't match the message, there are no units for your temperature, and what you wrote is independent of acceleration. Maybe you miswrote more than one thing.
 
The dimensionless character of this temperature is due to the fact that the Rindler time is dimensionless.

A conventional temperature with units of energy or inverse length would be recorded by a thermometer, and this is

T = a/2π

where a is the acceleration.
 
PrashantGokaraju said:
A uniformly accelerating observer registers a temperature

Are you perhaps referring to the so-called Unruh effect?

If not, is there a reference to your assertion that describes what you are referring to in more detail?
 
Yes, unruh effect. For example if you observe a black hole by it's unruh radiation, you always get a blurry image.
 
PrashantGokaraju said:
For example if you observe a black hole by it's unruh radiation, you always get a blurry image.

Huh? "observe a black hole by it's unruh radiation" is a non-sequitur.
 
PrashantGokaraju said:
According to current understanding, what are the best ideas about the origin of this temperature?
The Wikipedia article on “Unruh effect” will be a pretty good starting point.
 
PrashantGokaraju said:
The dimensionless character of this temperature is due to the fact that the Rindler time is dimensionless.

First, you didn't just write a dimensionless number, you wrote a constant, ##T = 1 / 2 \pi##. The Unruh temperature is not a constant; it varies with acceleration. When you write the temperature correctly, as you did in post #3, of course it has units of acceleration, i.e., inverse length.

Second, Rindler time is not dimensionless; it has units of time, since it's just proper time along the worldline of the Rindler observer at ##x = 1## in Rindler coordinates.
 
This is a hard subject to explain. How is your handle on QFT?
 
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PeterDonis said:
First, you didn't just write a dimensionless number, you wrote a constant, ##T = 1 / 2 \pi##. The Unruh temperature is not a constant; it varies with acceleration. When you write the temperature correctly, as you did in post #3, of course it has units of acceleration, i.e., inverse length.

Second, Rindler time is not dimensionless; it has units of time, since it's just proper time along the worldline of the Rindler observer at ##x = 1## in Rindler coordinates.

The Rindler hamiltonian is

H = ∫ ρT00

The Rindler energy of the ith state of the thermometer is ρεi where εi are the proper rest energy levels. So if the Rindler temperature is 1/2π, then the probability of the ith level is ~ e-2πρεi

This means the thermometer registers a proper temperature `1/2πρ = a/2π
 
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DarMM said:
This is a hard subject to explain. How is your handle on QFT?

I do know the basic ideas of canonical quantization and path integrals, feynman diagrams etc. mostly in the special case of scalar fields. Did not study too much other field theories like QCD etc. I want to know for example, what does string theory say about the Unruh temperature and the entropy, microstates etc? Also the various other facts about black holes, like the blurry image, visibility of space behind them, etc. What is the most current understanding of these things, in string theory, or any other modern ideas
 
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The origin of the Temperature is that the decomposition of a quantum state into particles is not unique.

A particle is associated with positive and negative frequency modes of solutions to the free field equation. Thus note: particles are intrinsically associated with free quantum fields and only emerge as asymptotic concepts in interacting theories.

The time coordinate of an accelerating observer produces a completely different set of functions as the positive and negative frequency decomposition of solutions to the free field equation. This gives rise to a different notion of particle, Rindler particles say. The Unruh effect is due to the vacuum containing no intertial particles, but being a Thermal bath of Rindler particles.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Huh? "observe a black hole by it's unruh radiation" is a non-sequitur.
Not a non-sequitur. Just bloody difficult. Bryce DeWitt derives the temperature of a black hole, observed at infinity, from the surface Unruh temperature, in General Relativity: an Einstein Centenary.
 
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PrashantGokaraju said:
The Rindler hamiltonian

Where are you getting this from?
 

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