Unruh temperature in gravitational field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the Unruh effect and its implications in a gravitational field, exploring the relationship between Unruh temperature and Hawking temperature, as well as the conservation of energy in this context. Participants examine theoretical aspects and potential observational consequences.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an observer with acceleration ##g## will observe a vacuum temperature given by the formula $$T=\frac{\hbar g}{2 \pi c k_B}$$ and question if this applies similarly to an observer in a gravitational field.
  • Others clarify that while the equivalence principle suggests similar measurements, real conditions (like thermal equilibrium with surrounding vacuum) complicate the scenario.
  • One participant posits that if the Earth's surface acts as a particle detector, it could theoretically emit thermal radiation due to the Unruh effect, although this radiation would not be detectable due to its small magnitude.
  • Another participant questions the source of energy for the Unruh effect, suggesting it might derive from the vacuum when subjected to a gravitational field, raising concerns about the conservation of energy.
  • In response, a participant challenges the assumption of Earth's stability, indicating that non-gravitational forces between atoms could provide potential energy contributing to Unruh radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic premise of the Unruh effect and its relation to gravitational fields, but there is disagreement regarding the implications for energy conservation and the detectability of associated radiation. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as thermal equilibrium and the presence of external factors like the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR), which complicate the application of the Unruh effect in real-world scenarios.

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According to the Unruh effect an observer who is has an acceleration ##g## will observe the temperature of the vacuum to be
$$T=\frac{\hbar g}{2 \pi c k_B}.$$
According to the equivalence principle the observer should measure the same Unruh temperature if he is sitting on a planet whose surface gravitational field has a strength of ##g##.

Is this correct?

As the Unruh and Hawking temperature are very similar does this mean that all gravitating bodies have a Hawking/Unruh temperature that could in principle be detected by a distant observer?
 
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jcap said:
According to the equivalence principle the observer should measure the same Unruh temperature if he is sitting on a planet whose surface gravitational field has a strength of ##g##.

Is this correct?

If the planet is surrounded by vacuum and is in thermal equilibrium with it, yes. But of course this never actually happens. See below.

jcap said:
As the Unruh and Hawking temperature are very similar does this mean that all gravitating bodies have a Hawking/Unruh temperature that could in principle be detected by a distant observer?

No. The temperature in question is the temperature of a vacuum--the Hawking temperature of a black hole assumes that the hole is vacuum, with no matter or energy present (just spacetime curvature). As soon as you add matter and energy, you change the scenario. As above, the only way to recover a scenario similar to the vacuum one would be if all of the matter and energy were in thermal equilibrium with the vacuum. But in the real universe that never happens. (Why? If nothing else, because the CMBR is present in the real universe and its temperature is way, way above the Unruh/Hawking temperature for any achievable acceleration and any achievable mass for a black hole).
 
jcap said:
According to the Unruh effect an observer who is has an acceleration ##g## will observe the temperature of the vacuum to be
$$T=\frac{\hbar g}{2 \pi c k_B}.$$
According to the equivalence principle the observer should measure the same Unruh temperature if he is sitting on a planet whose surface gravitational field has a strength of ##g##.

Is this correct?
Yes.

jcap said:
As the Unruh and Hawking temperature are very similar does this mean that all gravitating bodies have a Hawking/Unruh temperature that could in principle be detected by a distant observer?
If we interpret the surface of the Earth as one big particle detector, then the Earth's surface should get heated by Unruh effect. This heat must create standard thermal radiation, which is not Hawking radiation. This thermal radiation can, in principle, be seen by a distant observer. Of course, the whole effect is too small to be detectable.
 
Demystifier said:
Yes.If we interpret the surface of the Earth as one big particle detector, then the Earth's surface should get heated by Unruh effect. This heat must create standard thermal radiation, which is not Hawking radiation. This thermal radiation can, in principle, be seen by a distant observer. Of course, the whole effect is too small to be detectable.

So where does the Unruh effect energy come from? If the matter in the Earth is stable then it must come from the vacuum itself when it is subjected to a gravitational field. In that case is the law of conservation of energy violated?
 
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jcap said:
So where does the Unruh effect energy come from? If the matter in the Earth is stable then it must come from the vacuum itself. Is the law of conservation of energy violated?
Why do you think that Earth is stable? The gravitational collapse of the Earth is prevented by some non-gravitational forces between atoms. These non-gravitational forces are a source of potential energy, which might act as a source of energy for Unruh radiation.
 

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