What is the physical/geometric meaning of spacelike, timelike and null

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The discussion focuses on the physical and geometric meanings of spacelike, timelike, and null geodesics within the context of general relativity. Participants explore their implications, relevance, and applications in theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all objects with mass move on timelike geodesics, while massless objects move on null geodesics, and nothing can move on spacelike geodesics as it would imply faster-than-light travel.
  • There is a question regarding the practical relevance of spacelike geodesics to general relativity, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their significance.
  • One participant suggests that locally, spacelike geodesics can be viewed as "straight lines" in an observer's frame, depending on the time coordinates of the points on the geodesic.
  • Another participant mentions that spacelike geodesics have no physical usage in conventional physics but are referenced in faster-than-light theories, such as those involving hypothetical tachyons.
  • Spacelike geodesics are noted to be useful in defining distances between timelike worldlines and constructing hypersurfaces of constant time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and application of spacelike geodesics, with no consensus reached on their practical significance in general relativity.

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Some statements rely on specific interpretations of geodesics and their applications, which may vary based on theoretical frameworks or assumptions about faster-than-light travel.

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What is the physical/geometric meaning of spacelike, timelike and null geodesics?
 
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Ranku said:
What is the physical/geometric meaning of spacelike, timelike and null geodesics?

All objects with mass move on timelike geodesics, massless objects move on null geodesics, and nothing can move on spacelike geodesics since that would mean moving faster than the speed of light.
 


Amanheis said:
nothing can move on spacelike geodesics since that would mean moving faster than the speed of light.

So what then is the practical relevance of spacelike geodesics to general relativity?
 


Ranku said:
So what then is the practical relevance of spacelike geodesics to general relativity?

I can't think of any
 


Ranku said:
So what then is the practical relevance of spacelike geodesics to general relativity?

Locally, they are usually known as "straight lines".

If points on the geodesic are at the same time coordinate, they describe straight lines in the observer's own frame. If they are not at the same time coordinate, they describe straight lines in some other inertial frame.
 
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For some additional comments see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_(general_relativity )
 
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Ranku said:
So what then is the practical relevance of spacelike geodesics to general relativity?

They have no physical usage in any branch of physics but in the FTL theories which lean upon a premise that says there are particles that can be accelerated in such a way that their speed would be able to pass the speed of light! An example could be tachyons. The reason why such particles follow spacelike geodesics is that since they have tremendously ultra-higher speeds than [tex]c[/tex], so an interval in space is traveled by them in a very tiny interval of time, letting the line-element [tex]ds^2[/tex] be smaller than zero.

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Spacelike geodesics are commonly used in defining distances between two timelike worldlines (such as particle trajectories), constructing hypersurfaces "of constant time," etc.
 


Thank you all...:cool:
 

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