What is the Power of Unity and Nonviolent Resistance?

[Greg Bernhardt]

Face Palm! I think there will be revolution in this family when the kid hits 7-8 and is humiliated.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/21/celebrate-revolution-egyptian-names-baby-girl-facebook/?test=latestnews

 

[nismaratwork]

Face Palm! I think there will be revolution in this family when the kid hits 7-8 and is humiliated.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/21/celebrate-revolution-egyptian-names-baby-girl-facebook/?test=latestnews

Maybe it's really lovely in the Arabic...

"Facebook bin Ali al Hajj"... nope, it's still weird. (and yes, I didn't even TRY to get the gender right)

 

[Al68]

[STRIKE]This morning, in that dreamy kind of, "Ok, I need to listen to the other side of the story"...[/STRIKE]

This is a particularly good point. Don't know why you struck it out.

I've always tried to understand the other side. I've read everything from Marx to that silly Air America book, and much in between. And now that I have Sirius radio, I listen to Sirius left routinely.

That Mike Malloy is hilariously (at first, before it becomes sad). I especially liked his heartfelt apology the other day for calling Republicans a bunch of corporate whores. (His apology was to prostitutes, not Republicans. )

The way I see it, if I don't understand the other side's position, I'm just not informed on the issue. It never ceases to amaze me how someone could have such strong political beliefs, while openly admitting that they don't understand the opposing position.

 

[lisab]

[STRIKE]Ivan, you need to listen to Rush more often.

I have two clock radio's that wake me up in the morning. One is tuned to the left, one is tuned to the right.

This morning, in that dreamy kind of, "Ok, I need to listen to the other side of the story" kind of, "I really don't understand where they are coming from", and "they sound quite insane, but there must be something going on in their heads that makes them try and communicate in such a manner".

I was not unsurprised to listen to Rush bash CPAC this morning.[/STRIKE]

Never mind.

I told myself I would go fishing this morning. And damn it, I'm going fishing.

How was the fishing, Om ?

 

[rootX]

Somewhere, it was brought up by evo about peaceful without guns revolution in Egypt:

Relevant to that, I found following article today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12522848
This article indicates that Sharp's methods were used in the Egyptian revolution:

For decades now, people living under authoritarian regimes have made a pilgrimage to Gene Sharp for advice. His writing has helped millions of people around the world achieve their freedom without violence. "As soon as you choose to fight with violence you're choosing to fight against your opponents best weapons and you have to be smarter than that," he insists.

* Develop a strategy for winning freedom and a vision of the society you want
* Overcome fear by small acts of resistance
* Use colours and symbols to demonstrate unity of resistance
* Learn from historical examples of the successes of non-violent movements
* Use non-violent "weapons"
* Identify the dictatorship's pillars of support and develop a strategy for undermining each
* Use oppressive or brutal acts by the regime as a recruiting tool for your movement
* Isolate or remove from the movement people who use or advocate violence

For further interest, refer to:
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Sharp, Gene

 

[nismaratwork]

Somewhere, it was brought up by evo about peaceful without guns revolution in Egypt:

Relevant to that, I found following article today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12522848
This article indicates that Sharp's methods were used in the Egyptian revolution:



http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Sharp, Gene

interesting... I have to re-read his work.

 

[OmCheeto]

How was the fishing, Om ?

It was too cold in the morning. Then, like a typical oldster, I fell asleep in my lay-z-boy around two, and didn't wake up until after the sun went down.

Hey! Does baby Facebook have a Facebook page yet? I want to be her friend.

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[lisab]

It was too cold in the morning. Then, like a typical oldster, I fell asleep in my lay-z-boy around two, and didn't wake up until after the sun went down.

Hey! Does baby Facebook have a Facebook page yet? I want to be her friend.

​

Oooooh! What a sweet baby :!)!

 

[CheckMate]

By the way, the only reason egyptians achieved victory in a somewhat peaceful way is because the Egyptian Armed Forces weren't against the people. In Bahrain or Lybia the situation is very different.

 

[nismaratwork]

By the way, the only reason egyptians achieved victory in a somewhat peaceful way is because the Egyptian Armed Forces weren't against the people. In Bahrain or Lybia the situation is very different.

True... I think that's quite obvious by now.

Then again... Benghazi shows that Libya is not monolithic, so more differences.

Libya is Tribal, Egypt has a conscript army, and Bahrain is majority Shiite. VERY different in each case.

Egypt and Bahrain do care what others think... Libya does not... and I don't believe that Iran gives a damn either. Bahrain however has to be concerned about annexation by Saudi Arabia.

 

[mugaliens]

Face Palm! I think there will be revolution in this family when the kid hits 7-8 and is humiliated.

Oh, come on. Corny? Yes. But heartwarming. Hopefully, they gave it another name or two which can be used later. My ex and I couldn't agree on a name for the life of us, and on day two in the hospital, hours before our release, having worked our way through to yet another letter of the alphabet of the birthing unit's "book of names," I stared at a name that literally lept off the page. I said it out loud, and that was it.

We still gave him two middle names, one her first choice, one mine, just in case... :)

 

[nismaratwork]

Hmmm, I guess, "facebook" is better than "Moon-Unit" or "Dweezle".

 

[DevilsAvocado]

Hmmm, I guess, "facebook" is better than "Moon-Unit" or "Dweezle".

They were lucky! Their father’s name could have been Sheik Yerbouti!

 

[DevilsAvocado]

But Reagan was a dedicated American in the truest sense - a lover of liberty for all, including non-Americans.

But that only works if you’re fit as a fiddle, right...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

... sometimes times they are not a-changin' ...

 

[Proton Soup]

But that only works if you’re fit as a fiddle, right...?

exactly. fitness is a sign of righteousness. an outward sign of an inward reality.

 

[nismaratwork]

exactly. fitness is a sign of righteousness. an outward sign of an inward reality.

You're joking, right? Because... if you reverse that logic...

 

[CAC1001]

Irrelevant.
NOW they have elections, and those are followed.
Thus, all there is to be said about "democracy" has been said, right?
We could also add wonderful Indonesia, which is also one of these new-fangled "democracies", with a merely regrettably upsurge in sectarian violence against religious minorities (last week, to the frenzied screams of "Allahu Akbar", three Ahmadis were brutally murdered..).
Not to mention the hopeless position of post-Saddam Assyrian Christians..

We have no reason to expect anything different to evolve in Egypt, if given "democracy".

Democracy I see like capitalism. Capitalism, by itself, is just another form of serfdom. Capitalism is a component for economic freedom, but by itself, is not good. It must be paired with a free-market and developed financial system.

Democracy I view the same. By itself, it's just another form of tyranny. Rule of the majority as opposed to rule of the minority. Democracy is a component for freedom, and must be paired with things that will protect the minority from the majority, and structured in a way to work on a nationwide level (like a republic for example).

 

[Ivan Seeking]

But that only works if you’re fit as a fiddle, right...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

... sometimes times they are not a-changin' ...

The video wouldn't play but I can see the title. Don't confuse differences in philosophy with a betrayal of principles.