What is the principle behind Michelson interferometer?

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The discussion centers around the principles and calculations related to the Michelson interferometer, specifically focusing on the distances light travels within the setup and the implications of different reference frames. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and assumptions involved in the analysis of the interferometer's operation.

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  • One participant presents an equation for the distance light travels, suggesting that light covers a distance of 2l, with each segment being approximately l under certain assumptions.
  • Another participant questions the absence of the Pythagorean theorem in the calculations, proposing an alternative expression for l that incorporates relativistic effects.
  • A later reply rearranges the proposed expression to derive a relationship for time based on the distance l and speed of light, indicating a connection to the original photographic text referenced.
  • One participant asserts that the distances labeled "l" in the first image are incorrect, noting that they are greater than l and attributing this to the reference frame of the "ether."
  • Another participant agrees that the second image depicts the interferometer in the ether, suggesting that the distances are affected by the Earth's motion, leading to discrepancies in the measurements of l.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the distances represented in the images and the appropriate mathematical treatment of the problem. There is no consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the distances involved.

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Participants highlight the dependence of their arguments on the choice of reference frame and the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the setup. The discussion reveals unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the figures presented.

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Hello people!

I got big problem.

[tex]l=\frac{ct_n}{2}[/tex] - the light in one way.

Here are the pictures, I think you'll see what I am talking about.

http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture001id5.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture002tx5.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Interferometer.svg

Please help!

Thank you!
 
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Physicsissuef said:
[tex]l=\frac{ct_n}{2}[/tex] - the light in one way.

This equations says (apparently) that light travels a distance 2l. A-to-M2, and M2-to-A1, are each a distance l.
Perhaps they are assuming very small angles, so that M2-to-B is approximately l also. You're right, they can't all be exactly equal to l.
 
Why they aren't using Pitagorean theorem? If they use Pitagorean theorem, "x" or "l" (as they say) would be [tex]\frac{t_nc\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}{2}[/tex], right?
 
Physicsissuef said:
Why they aren't using Pitagorean theorem? If they use Pitagorean theorem, "x" or "l" (as they say) would be [tex]\frac{t_nc\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}{2}[/tex], right?

Rearrange your expression

[tex]l = \frac{t_nc\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}{2} \quad _{(1)}[/tex]

to get

[tex]t_n = \frac{2l}{c}\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2} \right)^{-1/2} \quad _{(2)}[/tex]

then that is exactly what I see in the photographed text at the bottom of the your first image.
 
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Also: the red "l"s in the first image are incorrect. Those distances are greater than l.

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This contradicts my earlier post. I've since realized that the figure is in the reference frame of the "ether", in which those distances (A-to-M1) are greater than l. They are equal to l in the lab reference frame only.
 
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I think the second picture is where the Michelson interferometer is in the ether. So the real distances are "l", but when the Michelson interferometer is on the earth, also there is effect from the ground, and the light "turns" by some angle, so those "l"-s on the first pictures are actually greater then "l", and the normal distance is "l".
 

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