What is the Probability of a Drunk Man Ending Up 14 Steps Back into the Pub?

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The problem involves a scenario where a drunk man takes steps forward and backward with equal probability, and the objective is to determine the probability of him ending up 14 steps back into the pub after 20 steps. The context is framed within probability theory and binomial distributions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss how to calculate the number of ways the man can take 14 steps backward and the total outcomes possible. Some relate the problem to flipping a coin, suggesting it can be framed in terms of counting heads and tails. Others propose using binomial distribution concepts to analyze the problem.

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Several participants have offered insights into how to approach the problem, including framing it in terms of coin flips and applying binomial coefficients. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical setup, but no consensus has been reached regarding the final solution.

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Some participants express discomfort with the scenario involving a drunk individual, suggesting that the problem could have been presented in a more neutral context.

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Homework Statement


There is a drunk man who is just leaving the pub, he is so drunk that the probability of him taking a step forward is 0.5, and the probability of him taking a step backwards is also 0.5
There is a zero chance of him not taking a step.
After 20 steps, what is the probability of him being 14 steps back into the pub?


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I have no idea where to start for this question, so if somebody could give me a push in the right direction that would be extremely helpful
 
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How many ways can 14 steps backwards be done? How many outcomes are there in total?
 
we can put the question in more familiar terms. say you flip a coin 20 times. what is the probability that you flipped 14 more heads (back steps) than tails (forward steps)? So, as gatorpower said, it is just a matter of counting how many ways that can be done.

good luck
 
This is a binomial distribution with p= q= 1/2 and so will involve (1/2)^{20}.
Let n be the number of forward steps he took. Then 20- n is the number of backward steps. Assuming he started at the door, if he is 14 steps back into the pub, taking forward steps positive and backward steps negative, we must have n- (20- n)= 2n- 20= -14. Solve that for n.

Now that you know the number of forward and backward steps, you can use the binomial coefficient to determine in how many orders he could have taken those forward and backward steps.

(By the way, I find this problem, and any problem postulating people not in control of themselves, offensive.)
 
I agree with halls, why do we need such unpleasant topics for math problems?
 
Thank you all very much for your help

and i agree with what you said about the question, like eczeno said this could easily have been put in terms of a coin flipping, instead it is about a drunk person who can't walk properly :S
 

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