What is the probability of selecting a white ball from a box?

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The problem involves calculating the probability of selecting a white ball from a box containing 10 balls, of which 6 are black and 4 are white. Three balls are removed from the box, and the task is to determine the probability that a fourth ball removed will be white, given the unknown colors of the first three balls.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating the probability, with some attempting to use direct multiplication of probabilities for drawing white balls, while others suggest considering all possible combinations of colors for the first three balls drawn.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations of the problem being explored, with participants questioning the assumptions behind the initial calculations. Some have provided different probability values based on their reasoning, and there is an ongoing dialogue about the correct approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the ambiguity in the problem's phrasing, suggesting it may be a trick question due to the lack of information about the colors of the removed balls.

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Homework Statement



A box has 10 bass, 6 are black and 4 are white. Three balls are removed from the box, color unknown. Find the probability that a fourth ball removed will be white.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I got:
\frac{4}{10} * \frac{3}{9} * \frac{2}{8} * \frac{1}{7} = 0.00476
 
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duki said:

The Attempt at a Solution



I got 0.00476?
How?
 
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Ah, I see. You used 4/10, 3/9, and 2/8 as the probability for the first three balls - but those are the probabilities of picking all white balls. What if the first ball picked is black? Or if the second ball picked is black? Or if all of the first three are black? You haven't accounted for any of those possibilities.

You should first figure out how many different possibilities there are for the colors of the first 3 balls.

Then, once you've done that, for each of those possibilities, calculate the probability that the first three balls are those colors and then the fourth ball is white.

Finally, since those are mutually exclusive possibilities (the first three balls are either WWW, WWB, WBW, ... but only one of those), you can add up the probabilities for all the cases.
 
Ok, I got 0.3905?
 
duki said:

Homework Statement



A box has 10 bass, 6 are black and 4 are white. Three balls are removed from the box, color unknown. Find the probability that a fourth ball removed will be white.

As phrased this is a trick question, I think; a very good one.

As phrased, it appears that you are given no information at all about the colour of the balls that are removed, right?

Think about this. Suppose you take two balls out of the box, in the dark, and put them in two paper bags. Now switch on the light, and look at your bags.

What is the probability that the ball in the first bag is white?
What is the probability that the ball in the second bag is white?

Cheers -- sylas
 
duki said:
Ok, I got 0.3905?
That's not quite what I got. What did you add up? (Remember you have to show your work for as long as you continue to want help!)

I think sylas has in mind a different way of reasoning, trickier but shorter... I didn't mention that at first because I figured there was more educational value in doing it the straightforward way. :wink:
 
Without showing my work, I got 0.2.
Not sure if I'm right though.
 
zgozvrm said:
Without showing my work, I got 0.2.
Not sure if I'm right though.

I got twice as much as that...
 
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sylas said:
I got twice as much as that...

After re-calculating, so did I!
 

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