Probability of picking a ball randomly from a group of balls

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The problem involves calculating the probability of drawing two balls from a bag containing 4 white and 6 black balls, specifically focusing on the scenario where the first ball drawn is white and the second is black. The discussion revolves around the concepts of combinations and permutations in probability.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating the probability, including direct multiplication of probabilities and the use of combinations. There is a discussion about whether to use combinations or permutations based on the order of drawing the balls.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into the correct approach, suggesting that the order of drawing matters and that permutations may be more appropriate for this scenario. There is an ongoing examination of the calculations and interpretations of the probability expressions used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of distinguishing between combinations and permutations in the context of this problem, as well as the implications of drawing without replacement. There is also a mention of the distinguishability of the balls, which affects the probability calculations.

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Homework Statement




From a bag containing 4 white and 6 black balls, 2 balls are drawn at random. If the balls are drawn one after the other, without replacement, find the probability that
The first ball is white and the second ball is black

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The Attempt at a Solution


First ball is white so the probability is 4/10; Second ball is black so the probability is 6/9. Hence the probability of first ball is white and the second ball is black is given by 4/10 X 6/9 = 24/90 when simplified gives 4/15.
But when i try in the following way
The probability of picking two balls from 10 balls is 10C2 that is 45.
The probability of first ball being white is 4C1 that is 4 and the second ball being black is 6C1 that is 6, so the probability for the question is n(E)/n(S) = (4 X 6)/10C2 = 24/45 which gives 8/15.
Please help me where i went wrong.
 
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Since the order (in which balls are picked) matters,
logearav said:


The probability of picking two balls from 10 balls is 10C2 that is 45.


should instead be 10P2.
 
logearav said:
The probability of picking two balls from 10 balls is 10C2 that is 45.
Well, not probability, of course. That's the number of ways of picking an unordered pair of balls.
The probability of first ball being white is 4C1 that is 4 and the second ball being black is 6C1 that is 6, so the probability for the question is n(E)/n(S) = (4 X 6)/10C2 = 24/45 which gives 8/15.
That's the number of pairs of balls, one being white and the other black. So 8/15 is the probability of getting one of each, in either order.
 
logearav said:

Homework Statement




From a bag containing 4 white and 6 black balls, 2 balls are drawn at random. If the balls are drawn one after the other, without replacement, find the probability that
The first ball is white and the second ball is black

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


First ball is white so the probability is 4/10; Second ball is black so the probability is 6/9. Hence the probability of first ball is white and the second ball is black is given by 4/10 X 6/9 = 24/90 when simplified gives 4/15.
But when i try in the following way
The probability of picking two balls from 10 balls is 10C2 that is 45.
The probability of first ball being white is 4C1 that is 4 and the second ball being black is 6C1 that is 6, so the probability for the question is n(E)/n(S) = (4 X 6)/10C2 = 24/45 which gives 8/15.
Please help me where i went wrong.

Since the balls are distinguishable (in principle you could paint identifying numbers 1--10 on them) and order matters you should look at *permutations*. There are 10! distinct permutations, but we just look at the first two places. There are 4*6*8! different permutations in which the first place is occupied by a white ball and the second place by a black ball, so the probability is 4*6*8!/10! = 4/15, as you stated originally. Your second way ignores the order.
 

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