What is the process for composing rotations in Visual Complex Analysis?

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The discussion revolves around the process of composing rotations in the context of "Visual Complex Analysis" by Dr. Tristan Needham. Participants explore the mathematical mechanics involved in performing two rotations about different points in the complex plane, including the necessary translations and the order of operations required to achieve the desired transformations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the mathematical process for composing two rotations about different points, specifically regarding the order of multiplication and addition needed to achieve a rotation about the origin followed by a translation.
  • Another participant asserts that every orientation-preserving isometry can be expressed as a composition of rotations and translations, suggesting a proof involving a translation to the origin.
  • A third participant clarifies their understanding of the concept but indicates difficulty with the calculations involved in composing two rotations, mentioning a potential internal assumption that may be blocking their understanding.
  • A later reply outlines the process of composing rotations, explaining that a single rotation can be decomposed into a translation to the origin, a rotation about the origin, and an inverse translation. They provide a formulaic representation of the rotations and translations involved in the composition.
  • The same participant notes that the final result of composing two rotations can be expressed as a single rotation about a constant point, highlighting a condition regarding the sum of the angles of rotation.

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Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the calculations involved in composing rotations. While some concepts are clarified, there remains uncertainty about the specific mathematical steps and how to apply them effectively, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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Participants mention the need for clarity on the order of operations and the mechanics of the calculations, suggesting that assumptions about standard operations may be influencing their understanding. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion, particularly regarding the composition of rotations and translations.

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"Visual Complex Analysis"

I have gotten myself wound around the axel regarding something in "Visual Complex Analysis" (Dr. Tristan Needham) that should be easy.

On p. 18 (paperback edition), towards the bottom, the result for two rotations about different points has got me stumped. I cannot see my way clear to processing the two transfer functions in succession. Basically I am struggling with what to multiply and what to add in what order so as to end up with a rotation about the origin followed by a translation.

Suggestions would be appreciated?

Thanks.



Thomas
 
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lets ee here, a rotation is an isometry of the plane as is a translation. indeed every orientation preserving isometry is a composition of these two: proof: given an orientation preserving isometry f such that f(0) = a, compose f with translation from a to 0, and get an orientation preserving iusometry taking 0 to 0, which must of course (who could doubt it) a rotation.


i'm tired of this game. does this help?
 
I think I understand the concept, it is the mechanics of the calculation that I am stuck on.

Do you by chance have a copy of the book? If not, I can e-mail a scan of the page or put it on my website so you can look at the equation I am have trouble with, if you are willing to spend a few minutes.

When Needham does a single rotation about a non-zero complex point, he shows it done as a translation to the origin, a rotation about the origin, and then a translation back to the original point.

Then he shows how this can be done as a rotation along with the translation point "adjusted" for not being done at the origin.

OK, I am good to that point and I can reproduce the calculations, i.e., I understand what he has done.

When he does two rotations, about different points, I cannot do the math. I am an engineer and I am stuck on standard operations. I think I have an internal assumption and I am blocked from seeing a straightforward approach.

Thanks for your help.

Thomas
 


I have the book as a pdf. The process of composing rotations is conceptually simple. Recall that a single rotation about an arbitrary point is a translation to the origin, a rotation about the origin, and then the inverse of the translation to the origin. Composing two rotations means you simply calculate the sequence of translations and rotations that you get from expanding the two rotations.

If Ra, th is a rotation of th about the complex number a, and Rb, sg is a rotation of sg about b, then each rotation is expressible as:
Ra, th = Ta o Rth, 0 o T-a and
Rb, sg = Tb o Rsg, 0 o T-b
where Ta is just a translation by a.

If I expand a rotation into an equation, I get:
Ra, th = a + ei*th(z - a)

Notice how this works: we decompose the sequence of translations and rotations from right to left (that's what the notation really means. Think of the rightmost entity as the deepest layer of parenthesis). The rightmost motion is the first entity to act on the number z, so z shows up there in the calculation. Every motion to the left then acts on the previous motion, giving a sequence of motions which is reflected in the formula above.

If Ra, th is first and Rb, sg is second, then the sequence of basic motions (translations and origin rotations) is:
(Tb o Rsg, 0 o T-b) o (Ta o Rth, 0 o T-a) = Tb o Rsg, 0 o T-b o Ta o Rth, 0 o T-a

Now simply expand this into an equation:
Rb, sg o Ra, th = b + ei*sg((-b) + a + ei*th(z-a))

If you distribute the multiplications, you will get a rotation of z by th + sg about the origin plus a constant (a rotation followed by a translation). Of course, with a little algebra, this can be expressed as a single rotation about a constant point (the trick is, however, that th + sg cannot be an integer multiple of 2*pi since that would yield a rotation of infinite radius, which is just a movement about a strait line, a pure translation.

Hope this helped!
 

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