What is the proof for continuity using the existence of a derivative?

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The discussion centers on the proof of continuity of a function using the existence of a derivative. Participants explore different formulations and interpretations of the proof, examining the mathematical reasoning behind the continuity definition and its implications in calculus.

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  • One participant presents a proof involving the limit of a function expressed in terms of its derivative, aiming to show that if the limit holds, then the function is continuous at a point.
  • Another participant critiques the clarity of the initial proof, suggesting an alternative approach that involves manipulating the difference quotient and taking limits to demonstrate continuity.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the second participant's argument, questioning the logical flow and the assumptions made regarding the limits involved.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the assumptions necessary for proving continuity, particularly the relationship between the function values and the limits as x approaches a specific point.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity and correctness of the proofs presented. There is disagreement on the assumptions required for proving continuity and the interpretation of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding the application of limits and the definitions of continuity and differentiability. The discussion reveals a reliance on specific mathematical identities and the need for careful handling of assumptions in proofs.

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Hi I have a question about continuity as it is proven by the existence of a derivative.

The proof I've read is the following and I really just want to talk about it to be 100% sure I've understood it and I know where it comes from;

1: We'll take the equation of a line; [tex]f(x) \ - \ f(x_0) \ = \ m (x \ - \ x_0) \[/tex]

where;

[tex]m \ = \ \frac{f(x) \ - \ f(x_0)}{x \ - \ x_0}[/tex]

and set it up like so;

2: [tex]f(x) \ = \ \frac{f(x) \ - \ f(x_0)}{x \ - \ x_0} (x \ - \ x_0 ) \ + \ f(x)[/tex]

So, as I understand the proof, if we want to prove that the function f is continuous we will take the limit of the above expression and as x tends back onto itself and by getting the equality f(x_0) = f(x_0) we've proved the function continues along at this point

3: [tex]\lim_{x \to x_0} f(x) \ = \ \lim_{x \to x_0} \frac{f(x) \ - \ f(x_0)}{x \ - \ x_0} (x \ - \ x_0 ) \ + \ \lim_{x \to x_0} f(x)[/tex]

4: [tex]f(x_0) \ = \ f ' (x_0) (x_0 \ - \ x_0 ) \ + \ f(x_0)[/tex]

5: [tex]f(x_0) \ = \ f ' (x_0) (0) \ + \ f(x_0)[/tex]

6: [tex]f(x_0) \ = \ f(x_0)[/tex]

I wonder how deep a proof this is, it is from an advanced calculus text. :-p
 
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I think that argument is very confused as it is written. Try looking at it this way (I'm going to use a instead of x0 to avoid the subscripts). Begin with this identity:

[tex]\frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}= f'(a)+\frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}-f'(a)[/tex]

That is obviously an identity. Now multiply both sides by (x-a) ane rewrite it as:

[tex]f(x)-f(a)= f'(a)(x-a)+\left( \ \frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}-f'(a)\ \right)(x-a)[/tex]

Now take the limit as [itex]x \rightarrow a[/itex] on both sides. On the right side the quantity in the large parentheses goes to zero because the function is differentiable at a and the difference quotient approaches f'(a). The other two terms on the right obviously go to zero too. Therefore the left side goes to zero too and f is continuous at a.
 
But I don't understand, what you've essentially written the before and after product of a derivative in the first latex frame and then wrote something that just equals zero in the second latex frame.

The L.H.S. of your second latex frame is zero because as x-->a it becomes f(a) - f(a) ergo zero. The R.H.S. obviously goes to zero too because of (x - a) becoming (a - a) = 0. It just comes out of nowhere to me and could be speaking about anything.


As I understand the proof I've put up it defines the function to be continuous by employing the equation of a line and then attaining equality on both sides. It also works because it is applicable to any function directly.

I'm just very familiar with the form I've put up as the mean value theorem and Newtons method jump directly from it.

Can you tell me what I'm confused about in writing it this way?
 
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But I don't understand, what you've essentially written the before and after product of a derivative in the first latex frame and then wrote something that just equals zero in the second latex frame.

The L.H.S. of your second latex frame is zero because as x-->a it becomes f(a) - f(a) ergo zero.

No. You are trying to prove that f is continuous at x = a. You aren't given that [itex]f(x) \rightarrow f(a)[/itex] so you can't assume it and you don't have the left side goes to zero given. The point of this argument is that you can prove [itex]f(x) \rightarrow f(a)[/itex] by noting that f(x) - f(a) is equal to an expression on the right side which obviously does go to zero. That is how you know [itex]f(x) \rightarrow f(a)[/itex] and that is how you prove f is continuous at a.
 

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